Dick Eastman
91101 - Answers to questions and new evidence:
Sun Jul 13 16:27:56 2003
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Subject: [apfn-1] Answers to questions and new evidence: 91101 Pentagon Mass-Murder Frameup Confirmed many times over.
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:42:42 -0700
From: "Dick Eastman"

1. Was the plane over the Annex or over the Pike?

Answer, it was over the Annex and not over the straight stretch of the Pike that passes the Annex -- although the Pike curves sharply north and back again between the straight stretch and the Pentagon -- people on the Pike who say the Boeing went over their heads were presumably driving on that northernward bend in the road. The gas station where Sgt. Lagasse saw the Boeing pass is in that northward bend in the Pike.

Sgt. Lagasse from the gas station saw the "starboard" of the plane as it passed him. This would place the Boeing over the Annex, in fact over the northern end of the Annex. Note also that he says the plane was "closer to Columbia Pike itself" which means North of the Pike and not over the Pike. So we have many witnesses saying that the Boeing came over the Annex and a witness who indicates that it was north of the Pike and who says he saw the starboard side (southfacing side) of the plane as it flew past him to the gas station.

Here are his exact words:

" it was not over Arlington National Cemetery but
closer to Columbia pike itself, there is a small grove
of trees that would have shielded anyone on 27 from
seeing the aircraft until it was literally on top of them
...again not much time to make the assessment. I
identified it as American Airlines almost as soon as
I saw it and radioed that it had struck the building. I
was on the Starboard side of the aircraft. There was
very little wake turbulence that I can recall, which
was surprising to me. The aircraft DID NOT have its
landing gear or flaps extended. "

From:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/20

See also the second part of statements by Lagasse:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/21

2. Did turbulence off the wing of the killer jet bring down any of the poles along the Washington Blvd cloverleaf interchange?

A man called me from New Mexico who states that in that state he saw an F-16 flying along a desert highway at about 20 feet and that the wing turbulence was creating giant clouds of thick dust on each side.

Above, we read, in the quotated statement by Sgt. Lagasse, that there was no turbulence as the plane flew by. A non-internet investigator has provided me with the following Lagasse quote made to ABC Nightline, 9/11/02 (Lexis-Nexis) from which I excerpt these lines:

" ...but I saw the aircraft above my head about
80 feet above the ground ...

(Note that this is a height taller than the Pentagon (71' ) and Lagasse was
at the gas station just across Washington Blvd. from the crash -- the gas station on ground higher than the ground near the Pentagon (which sits in the floodplain of the Potomac.)

"... Before I could really think, I had my door open, and the, off the wing pushed me kinda into my car. And I don't know if I half dove into the car or if I leaned into the car, but I got on the radio and, broadcast. I said a plane is, heading toward the heliport side of the building. ... And I stayed in the car for a second because the plane was so low ..."

This supports my contention that there was a break between LaGasse seeing the Boeing fly past him and experiencing the crash.

3. What about the C-130 that people observed.

The C-130 was not observed anywhere near the path of the killer jet, which approached very near ground level from the southwest at near Mach 1 speed -- just as no one sees the missile that kills them -- the killer jet would have been more likely to be mistaken for the Boeing's shadow on the ground than the C-130, had it been seen at all.

I have serious problems with this C-130, although I am sure it was there and that it was piloted by Lt. Col. Steve O'Brian. The C-130 was a Minnesota National Guard cargo plane that was just taking off from Andrews AFB (across the river from Reagan National southsoutheast of the Pentagon) "after moving military supplies around the Carribbean" How's that? What was it, a drug runner, a vacation junketer, or just supplying Guantanamo with a few odds and ends -- Why the Minnesota National Guard in the Carribbean?)

At any rate, O'Brian saw the 757:

"We took off, we headed north and west and had a beautiful view of the Mall. I noticed this ariplane up and to the left of us, at 10 o'clock. He was descending to our altitutde, four miles away or so. That's awful close, so I was surprised he wasn't calling out to us. It was like coming up to an interesection. When air traffic asked me if we had him in sight, I told him that was an understatement -- by then, he had pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn so how was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away. I said we had him in sight, then the controller asked me what kind of plane it was. That caught us up, because normally they have all that information. The controller didn't seem to know anything. They told us to turn and follow that aircraft -- in 20 plus years of flying, I've never been asked to do something like that. With all the East Coast haze, I had a hard time picking him out. The next thing I saw was the fireball. IT was huge. I told Washington the airplane had impacted the ground. Shook everyone up pretty good. I told them the approximate location was close to the Potomac. I figured he'd had some flight emergency and was trying to get back on the ground to Washington National [meaning Reagan National --de] Suddenly I could see the outline of the Pentagon. It was horrible. I told Washington this thing has impacted the west side of the Pentagon."

Please note that O'Brian is not directly quoted as saying it was an airliner and that in the last sentence quoted above that he refers to the aircraft as "this thing has impacted the west side of the Pentagon" -- if he knew it was an airliner would he not have said the most important fact of all, that an AIRLINER had impacted the Pentagon. It is interesting that everything is quoted, except the Minnesota Star-Tribune writer writing exactly one year later inserts this non-quote into the text -- "O'Brian reported that the plane was either a 757 or 767 and its silver fuselage meant it was probably an American Airlines jet." Why would the writer one year later depart from quotation and insert this remark with just these critical official-story supporting details???

One more mystery. Even as the plane was taking off -- the order was already out that all planes were to be immediately grounded (except an undisclosed number of special missions -- that, amazingly did not include D.C. interceptors) -- and that at this time all planes were ordered down (which made it easy for Flight 77 to land at Reagan unscheduled and unnoticed) -- but apparently O'Brians C-130 was one of the exceptions!

Read this -- note the mix of O'Brian and the writer:

"I told Washington this thing had impacted the west side of the Pentagon." O'Brian asked the controller whether he should set up a low orbit around the building but was told to get out of the area as quickly as possible. "I took the plane once through the plume of smoke and thought if this was a terrorist attack, it probably wasn't a good idea to be flying through plume." He flew west, not exactly sure where he was supposed to land. SOmewhere over western Pennsylvania, O'Brian looked down at a blackened, smoldering field. "I hoped it was just a fire or something, but when I checked with Cleveland center, he told me he'd just lost a guy off the scope pretty close to where we saw it. By then, we were able to patch in AM radio, so we heard about all the planes. It was like a domino effect -- a really bad day for airplanes." He finally landed at the Youngstown, Ohio, airport. .... "

Whatever the intention, the presence of the C-130 was a successful distraction from the overfly of Flight 77 and its subsequent landing at Reagan National.

For example, Scott P. Cook, watching from a fifth floor building in Washington D.C. states:

"As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don't go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House."
http://www.clothmonkey.com/91101.htm

What a show. It flys over the Pentagon then turns left headed for the White House less than a minute after the explosion and coming from a high altitude so it would get everyone's attention!!!

What a distraction from the Boeing which turned right to get to Reagan!!! The C-130, whatever other purpose it may have served, was certainly an effective ruse, concealing by distraction, the disappearance of Flight 77 as effectively as the smoke from the killer jet's crash.

These witnesses were distracted by the C-130:

John O'Keefe: "it looked like a C-130 cargo plane --started turning away from the Pentagon ....

Brian Kennedy: "There was a plane over the capitol; I was there, and I saw it. ...I was standing outside the Capitol."

Allen Cleveland -- "Soon after the crash I witnessed a military cargo plane -- possibly a C-130 -- fly over the crash site and cricle the mushroom cloud. My brohter also witnessed the same plane following the jet while he was on the HOV lanes in Springfield. He said that he saw a jet liner flying low over the tree tops near Seminary Rd. in Springfield, VA. and soon afterwards a military plane was seen flying right behind it."

Vin Narayanan: "I hoped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly oblivious to a second jet hovering in the skies." (note: the C-130 is not a jet)

Unnamed observer at the Naval Annex: "We constantly scanned skyward with our "eyeball radar," noting the sound of every jet engine seemed to make us jump. Fortunatly the only aircraft noise was the crisp distinctive ripping sound was of Air Force F-16's ... The only large fixed wing wing aircraft to appear was a gray C-130, which appeared to be a Navy electronic warfare aircraft, he seemed to survey the area and depart in on a westerly heading." (note: What indicata would cause him to think the C-130 was outfitted for electronic warfare???)

Keith Wheelhouse: "The second plane looked similar to a C-130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly over the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent the two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Petnaton. insists he was not confused by other air traffic. (AND THIS IS THE ONLY WITNESS TO BE VISITED BY THE FBI, THE VERY NEXT DAY! AS IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE C-130 -- SO WHY INTERVIEW WHEELHOUSE???? --DE)

Kelly Knowles: "lives in an apartment a few miles from the Pentagon, said some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion."

Arlington Cemetery worker: "...who declined to be interviewed in front of the media ... 'a mysterious second plane was circling the area when the first one attacked the Pentagon.' "

Phillip Thompson, on Interstate 395 HOV lanes directly south of the Naval Annex and Columbia Pike and looking North: "Then a gray C-130 flew overhead, setting off a new round of panic. I tried to reassure people that the plane was not a threat."

And so we see that with the C-130 it served as a distraction while Flight 77, already hidden by smoke and the distraction of the killer jet crash blended into the Reagan National air traffic. All eyes that were not fixed on the Pentagon became fixed on the C-130 which then flew left -- taking their eyes away from where the Boeing went.


3. If the killer jet was travelling at Mach 1 (speed of sound), did anyone hear a sonic boom? And did any witness who saw the Boeing say it was flying east to west and not from the southwest?

Yes on the boom and yess on the east-west approach of the Boeing. In fact most witnesses who described the direction of attack of the Boeing described it going straight in -- and the major media as well as the Army Times, based on witness accounts, all showed a perpendicular approach. I recall several animated graphis depicting this. In fact it was not until I had proven that the Boeing could not have been the killer jet and come in at a perpendicular angle because of the standing lamp post straight in front of the crash -- that Sarah Roberts (aka StJarna, spinner, anablep and isopodia) and Ron Harvey came on the scene with the downed lamp posts that actually were blown down by the F-16 killer jet that came from the southwest. But the introduction of the downed poles only cemented in the path of the killer jet -- it did not contradict what the witnesses had already established -- that the Boeing flew over the Annex and that it was too high and at the wrong angle to have downed the poles and made the entry and exit holes in the Pentagon first-floor walls.

Here is a witnesses who reports both the sonic boom and the east-west direction:

Joel Sucherman: "Well while listening to the radio reports of the World Trade Center problem, there was a sonic boom, and looking straight ahead there was a jet, whot looked to be an American Airlines jet, probably a 757, and it came screaming across the highway. It was Route 110 on the west side of the Pentagon. The plane went west ot east, hit the west side of the Pentagon. Immediately flames were searing up into the air. THere was white smoke, and then within seconds, thick black smoke. .. Then there was another plane, that was off to the southwest, and that made a beeline straight up into the sky and then angled off and we weren't sure if that was going to come around and make another hit or if it ws just trying to get out of the way. That disappeared and we didn't see it again... I did not see the engines, I saw the body and the tail and it was a silver jet with the marking along the windows that spoke to me as an American Airlines jet. This was not a commercial, excuse me, business jet, right it was not a Learjet, Gulfstream something like that. It was a bigger plane."

Note, btw, that Sucherman is the only witnesses who reports white smoke before black smoke, consistent with the Pentagon security camera pictures in sequence #2, #3 and #4. This makes Sucherman an especially important witness because of this established accuracy on a detail that so many others -- maybe all the others -- missed.

And remember, the C-130 is not a small plane. And there were witnesses who reported a smaller plane, either as the attacker or present during the attack.

"Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. Craig Quigley said later Tuesday that he also heard reports of a smaller second plane, but could not confirm it. "
http://www.pittsburgh.com/partners/wpxi/pentagonattack.html

"Couldn't confirm it?" Does that mean he was under orders not to confirm it? He certainly never "got back to you on that," did he?)

My thanks to Chris Pille for many of these quotations.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington

The Pentagon Attack was part of a Mass-Murder Frameup by a Ring of Traitors led by Donald Rumsfled, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Richard Cheney, Rice, Kissinger, Gen. Meyer and others. There is not room left for doubt.

Review the evidence:

Dick Eastman:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-1 

• Small plane that hit 1st WTC seen again in PA — anonymous, Sun Jul 13 20:54