Re: The Fear of Spiritual Awakening (Was: SOVEREIGNTY: Use It or Lose It !

Monday, 26-Feb-01 15:39:38

172.142.109.233 "Face in the Crowd " writes:

Raymond Karczewski ( arkent@arkenterprises.com ) writes:

fitc: >>> As far as I can tell, you are not saying anything new, though you convince me that you genuinely believe your own myth and you want everyone else like you to get together and change the world to make it a much more pleasant place.

rk: >> Do you mean the dissolution of dualistic Hell on Earth and a return to the nondualistic state of Peace on Earth -- YOU BET!!

fitc: > MY RESPONSE:

fitc: > Ray, sure we all want peace on earth, but you need to find peace in yourself before you can help others find peace.

rk: One must look very carefully to determine which is the reflector and which is the reflection. Peace is always found within the unbounded, unsullied Mirror of Truth, is it not? All else is hypocrisy and fragmentation seeing its own reflection.

fitc: I can understand that you are very disturbed by what you see, but are are REACTING, NOT ACTING ON WHAT IS GOING ON.

rk: There you go again with such empty, unsubstantiated, baiting, judgmental rhetoric. Suppose you fill that statement out with a litte direct evidence. The fact is, your past writings on these groups seem to indict you as being incapable of doing so. I am sure you have learned by now, through our brief interaction, that cheap-shot rhetoric only works on the fellowship of the spiritually blind and ignorant. Their mutual fears create a relationship which precludes any real dialogue from taking place. Violence and Inanity, that is all one sees on these newsgroups/forums. I wonder how many do see it?

fitc: Take care of yourself. Lighten up a little and take a deep breath before choosing your words, for you might let sound reason get through all of that anger you show. I can understand why you are angry, but you are misdirecting your anger.

rk: Perhaps you will share with us your evidence that my posts are full of anger and not in fact merely the mirroring of the civilized world of man, exposing it for the Hell that it is.

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fitc: >>> Subjectively, it is all very real to you, but there is a vast gap between objective, factual reality and the subjective myth that consumes 99.9% of the population.

rk: >>That's why I frequently term the corrupted spirit of a collective civilized society ruled by mind controllers as being BASSACKWARDS.

fitc > MY RESPONSE:

fitc: > Think about it: why are you so obsessed about what is COLLECTIVELY right for society that you would deny yourself peace in your brain?

rk: Tell us how you are able to perceive that a mirror which only reflects that which stands before it can be obsessed. You are again confusing the reflector for the reflection, are you not? See what I mean about BASSACKWARDS?

fitc: > Are you afraid that people will enjoy their own lives
without YOUR COLLECTIVE CONDITIONS fOR peace on earth?

rk: The world is on fire and you speak of the escape of personal enjoyment. Is that like Nero fiddling while Rome burns? Where is love in such a statement?

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fitc: >>> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but getting people's subjective feelings riled up isn't the answer.

rk: >> My words do raise Hell within the civilized Satanic (Opposer) Intellect, don't they?

fitc: > MY RESPONSE:

fitc: > The problem is that we have too many people in society trying to "raise hell."

rk: Hell is there, is it not? It is always there when one is conditioned to view life through the filter of a self-projecting, conflict bound, Satanically-driven dualistic intellect. The wars, the exploitation, the enslavement of the masses which paves the way for the redistribution of wealth by stripping it away from the enslaved value producers, the "Have Nots," transferring it into the coffers of the parasitical "Haves," -- the rulemakers, the bankers and their armed mercenaries paid to back up their rule at the point of a gun. These injustices are perpetrated upon the weak through empty rhetoric by talented, conniving wordsmiths. Some do it with overt violence, others, such as yourself, with covert violence. Yours is the violence of Diplomacy. It's all warm-and-fuzzy with its positive imagery, but it is manifested violence nevertheless.

rk: However, there is no violence to be found in the nondualistic, unbounded, balanced reflecting Mirror of Truth; i.e., the Spirit of Infinite Intelligence, the Christ State of Consciousness.

rk: Violence and chaos covered by a thin veneer of illusory order is observable operating through a confused, mechanical, blind, Satanically (opposer) ruled Intellect when viewed by the Spiritually "aware" It is awareness which exposes the fiction, the ignorance which masquerades in civilized society as intelligence, the flawed instrument of duality which would invariably confuse the reflection with the reflector.

fitc: > So far, it seems that the "in your face" homosexual militants are doing a better job at it, politically, yet there are a lot of people in the "middle" who just scratch their heads at the spectical of extremists from both sides ranting and raving. Hopefully, they will "wake up" by just deciding to reject both sides rather than swallow the idea of the "lesser of two evils."

rk: Yet a balance, loving person observing the violence, chaos and ignorance prevalent in a world ruled by the Satanically (opposer) directed Intellect, would at least make an overture toward assisting and illuminating such ignorant minions of Hell before they are left to the harsher lessons they must learn through their own karma. Loving Christs are not as quick as you to write these poor souls off.

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rk: >> I bring your attention to your own need to misdirect others from exposure to such simple Truth even whilst you continue to hide in the shadows of anonymity after such lack of integrity has been pointed out to you repeatedly in the past. Still unable to face the LIGHT OF TRUTH as a man of integrity eh?

fitc: MY RESPONSE:

fitc: "Simple truth"? Your "simple truth" is only one of many thousands of dogmas about what the "true God" is like coming from people who have absolutely no practical solutions to the economic problems on earth.

rk: Here's a practical solution for you. Let the value producers, the "Have Nots," boycott the elitists, the bankers, the government officials. Let them take back their money, the symbol of their life's energy, thereby preventing the Haves from using it against them. Our present human made Hell on Earth would disintegrate in an "eternal blink of an eye." Do that, and all will understand the true equality of man. There would exist no master and no slaves. I can live in that world, can you?

rk: It would appear, however, that many could not live that way. Those who would choose the way of the sword would indeed perish by the sword. It is the meek, the balanced, the cooperative who would inherit the earth.

fitc: > By the way, I'm not "hiding" from integrity. There are too many people out there who are willing to put their names behind insane assertions, and many of them are violence-prone.

rk: As I said before, in the realm of duality there is overt violence and covert violence. Meditate, if you will, on which level of violence emanates from your own personal Intellect.

fitc: Sometimes it is necessary to speak anonymously in order to say what one has to say without fear of violence.

rk: As i've indicated earlier is this thread, when viewing their own reflections in the Mirror of Truth, such intellects observe the image of cowards who are compelled to hunker down in the shadows and post anonymously as they constantly live in FEAR of their own exposure in the Light of TRUTH.

rk: Hell, isn't it?

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fitc: >>> Freedom does not lie in the "liberation" of subjective feelings, but in the courage to face OBJECTIVE REALITY in a day and age in which subjectivism is preached to be the core of the human self.

rk: >> Your rhetoric is one thing, the direction in which it leads the spiritually blind is quite another, isn't it? It is through such use of positive-sounding empty rhetoric (political speeches, religious sermons) that mind controlled masses who lack spiritual discernment are transformed into little more than enslaved, value producing chattel.

fitc: > MY RESPONSE:

fitc: "Spiritually blind?" You show a lot of anger and self-righteousness but you show no sign of anything that I can describe as "spirituality".

rk: The *idea* of spirituality is not Spirituality. The *concept* of Spirituality is not Spirituality. The *belief* of spirituality is not Spirituality. Are you able to observe from which realm of consciousness your comments arise? Idea, concept, belief are of the dualistic, the Satanic. Spirituality is of the Nondualistic, the Truth, the living eternal moment of NOW. Spirituality is Seeing. Intellectualism is based in the dead aftermoment of mechanical Thought. It manifests as energies of Life and Death, does it not?

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fitc: >>> Occultism is popular not because people choose it, but because it psychologically traps people in its symbolic frame of frame on reality. All evidence suggests that your "sovereignty" is just part of this symbolic web of occultism.

rk: >> Perhaps you will elucidate further on such *evidence?* Tossing out vague judgments as you have just demonstrated, while unsubstantiated by any *evidence* whatsoever is a favorite
technique of anonymity cloaked disinformation agents/mind controllers.

fitc: > Your accusations of "disinformation" is evidence of a hidden occult influence in your thinking.

rk: You confuse observations for accusations in your dualistic consciousness, don't you? That is merely additional evidence of your lack of spiritual discernment.

fitc: > Even the most simple common sense assertions come under your blanket accusations of "disinformation" because common sense observations made by using my eyes and ears are a threat to your idea of a "hidden spiritual reality."

rk: There again, where is your actual evidence to substantiate such a dualistically-based judgment? If you read this post again, you will see that my Mirroring of you is inarguable. The evidence speaks for itself to those sensitive enough to function beyond the gross, dualistic, belief-ridden conditioning which binds the consciousness of all civilized Hell-bound intellectual automatons.

fitc: Occultism is defined in terms of "hidden" mysteries, but
the problem is that occultism always comes from tyrants who want to blind fold the masses so that their lack of sight can be taken as "mystery."

rk: Occultism exists only in the Intellect. Nowhere else! Whose energy demonstrated in this post is bound to occultism/dualism? Who resonates with an energy foreign to the dualistic, mechanical Intellect? One who resonates in nondualistic Truth is always one who is "in this world but not of it." When dualistic ignoramuses meet up with such an entity, they either worship them or kill them. Both are merely temporary escapes from coming to grips in dealing with their own ignorance.

fitc: > This is how people mask the TYRANNY OF THE
AGES as the "mystery of the ages." You come across as a self-obsessed tyrant rather than someone who genuinely wants to liberate the "masses" from tyranny.

rk: See my above comments about the reactions of the ignorant who will either worship or kill those perceived to have understanding of that which lies beyond their intellectual grasp. Hell, isn't it?

rk: >> There they will see inarguable EVIDENCE for themselves, of a five year long campaign aimed at preventing my *SIMPLE TRUTH* from reaching the ears of the hypnotically slumbering masses.

fitc: >>> So, no matter how much you try to give it a different spin, it always comes out the same thing being repeated over and over again by people who don't want to look at the facts because the facts are too painful.

rk: >> Truth is always a "tough pill to swallow" for the conditioned masses. But swallow it they must if they are to be healed, made whole, and bring about a return to personal Sovereignty.

fitc: > MY RESPONSE:

fitc: > I suspect that you should worry about yourself first before you worry about the "conditioned masses".

rk: All is well at this end. It's the conditioned masses you've got to watch out for in these troubled times.

fitc: >>> As the old adage goes, the truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable. You need to let go of your mind to gain your brain the way it was meant to function. I lost my mind, but I gained my brain. To tape the first step toward mindlessness, go to
http://www.geocities.com/carriedrake_2000/Symbolism.html 

fitc: >>> Face in the Crowd

rk: >> "face in the crowd," your disingenous empty rhetoric in this post only renders testimony to the conflicted, limited, dualistic energy projected by its cowardly, shadow dwelling
Satanic-driven-Intellectually-trapped, anonymous author.

fitc: > MY RESPONSE:

fitc: It sounds like you deem everyone who doesn't accept your occult world view about spirituality and who goes by what they see with their own eyes rather than by what you say as "Satanic-driven-intellectuall-trapped".

rk: If the conditioned masses were able to see, they wouldn't be operating from psychologically conditioned mind sets in matters nontechnical -- and we would not be having this communication, would we? Not to mention that our world would not be in the throes of its present insanity. You haven't yet learned the lessons that duality teaches, and the insanity and chaos which ensues when such lessons are not learned, have you? Look at the world. See it as it is -- not as your politically/religiously-correct conditioning dictates what your thoughts *should* be.

fitc: Maybe you should open your eyes up a little and reassess
what you view as "spirituality."

rk: Maybe the reflected image observed in the mirror you are gazing into has just told you TRUTH!

fitc: Face in the Crowd

rk: I notice that in this continued thread of serious discussion, you still lack the courage and integrity to stand by your words by publically posting your true name/identity. Such an act is but a token demonstration of NONDUALITY, yet you seem incapable of acting even at that token level. Do you understand how your credibility is severely impacted by continuing such intrigue?

rk: Hell, isn't it?

Ray Karczewski

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Raymond Karczewski