Dick Eastman
Mike Ruppert debates DE on Frame-up analysis
Sat Oct 20 21:09:12 2001


"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of
truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and
murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the
end they always fall. Think of it ... always."
-- Mohatma Gandhi

(Thanks to Betsy Stang - bebird@aol.com  of the
Wittenberg Center for Alternative Resources)
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Here is a man, Mike Ruppert, who strongly disagrees with the
frame-up analysis:

Mike Ruppert's views appear in "Lower-case letters""
Dick Eastman responds in "CAPITAL LETTERS"
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This is patently and demonstrably inaccurate information. I encourage any
who are spreading to stop it immediately. To suggest that the Mossad are
business partners with the Taliban is beyond stupid. It indicates the need
for psychiatric medication.

YOU HAVE IT WRONG, FRIEND. I SUGGEST THAT THE CIA AND MOSSAD HAVE AN
ALLIANCE WITH THE "NORTHERN aLLAINCE" DRUG LORDS, WHO SUPPLY OPIUM (YOU SAY
75 PERCENT, OTHER MAINSTREAM SOURCES, E.G., NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO, BBC ETC.
SAY 80 OR 90
PERCENT -- THE DIFFERENCE IS INSIGNIFICANT -- EVEN AT 25 PERCENT THE
INCENTIVE IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO MOTIVATE MAJOR CRIMINALITY.

Afghanistan does not produce 80-90% of the world's heroin. At its peak in
2000, Afghanistan produced 75% of the world's opium. It produced almost none
last year. Almost Afghan heroin has been sold in Western Europe for the last
decade. Involving the Chinese would mean smuggling in the wrong direction;
send it east to get it west.

"China White" does not come from China. It is a generic name that refers to
the fourth stage of refinement. It can be made in Mexico or Colombia or
Thailand or Iran. As a former LAPD narcotics investigator who was trained
also by the DEA I know this to be a fact

YOU ARE QUITE A FORMER INVESTIGATOR INDEED TO
CLAIM TO KNOW EVERYTHING THE CHINA TRIADS
ARE NOT DOING.

AT ANY RATE, THE POSITIVE INFORMATION YOU GIVE
IS NO WAY INCONSISTENT WITH THE FRAME-UP
ANALYSIS YOU SEEK TO DISCREDIT-- HEROIN "CAN BE
MADE AND DEFINITELY IS MADE IN CENTRAL AND EAST
ASIA AS WELL - THE CRUCIAL
POINT IS THAT HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
WORTH OF WHAT IS MADE IS MADE FROM NORTHERN
ALLIANCE OPIUM. (i ALSO NOTE JANET RENO'S TENDENCY
TO INVESTIGATE AND BUST ONLY THE COMPETITIORS OF
THE CHINESE-AFFILIATED DISTRIBUTORS -- A TENDENCY
THAT IS CONTINUING TODAY UNDER ASHCROFT? THE
POINT IS THAT YOUR BACKGROUND HELPS, BUT IT IS
NOT CONCLUSIVE AUTHORITY -- AND IN FACT, GIVEN
THE OTHER INFORMATION, IT IS OUTRIGHT WRONG.)


I have never seen ANY credible information that the PLA distributes it.

THAT'S FUNNY NEITHER HAS MY AUNT MILDRED. WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

In fact, the cash flows through the Caucasus and the Balkans remove any
possibility of Chinese involvement.

WHY DO YOU CONSTRAIN YOUR COUNTER-ANALYSIS TO JUST THOSE TO AVENUES? THE
HEROIN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOES TO THE U.S.,
THROUGH THE PANAMA CANAL, TO THE LARGEST CONTAINER PORT IN THE WORLD IN THE
CARRIBIAN, OWNED BY THE P.L.A. AND COSCO.

60% of the U.S. heroin supply originates in Colombia.

YOU HAVE GREAT CERTITUDE HERE -- BUT THE F.A.R.C. ARE AFFILIATED WITH THE
CHINESE -- THEY ARE PART OF THE LONG-STANDING FOREIGN POLICY OF PROMOTING
WARS OF NATIONAL LIBERATION DEVELOPED BY ZHOU ENLAI -- DRUGS IS HOW THEY
GET THE MONEY TO LEVERAGE THEIR POWER. (LOTS MORE ON THIS IF YOU NEED IT,

There has never been any credible evidence that the Mossad is in business
with the Taliban or the Northern Alliance while there is an abundance of
evidence that the CIA has been for a long time.

WHAT I HAVE CLAIMED IS THAT THE MOSSAD HAS 'INFILTRATED' CENTRTAL ASIA WITH
AGENTS -- I DID
NOT SUGGEST THAT MOSSAD IS ALLIED WITH
TALIBAN -- IS THIS A PIECE OF DISINFORMATION
YOU HAVE INJECTED TO MAKE THE FRAME-UP
ANALYSIS APPEAR ABSURD TO THOSE WHO READ YOUR
REBUTTAL WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL DICUMENT.

A documented, sourced and verified analysis of the Afghanistan heroin
situation has previously been posted to this list. It is also available on
my web site, www.copvcia.com. The server company pulled the site today
because we have been getting so much traffic that we blew their servers. We
will be up and running within 48 hours.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALING ABOUT HERE. I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR
SITE. I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS ANALYSIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR ANALYSIS. BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN
NEW TWISTED SPIN IN SOME NEWSPAPERS ATTEMPTING TO SAY THAT
THE TALIBAN IS PRO-OPIUM -- THE FACT IS THAT OPIUM WAS CUT DOWN BECAUSE
THE TALIBAN -- WHO OPPOSE DRUGS AND ALCOHOL -- ERRADICATED OPIUM (MY SOURCE
HERE WAS AN IN DEPTH REPORT
ON NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO'S ALL THINGS CONSIDERED -- AS WELL AS OTHER
MAINSTREAM SOURCES -- AS WELL AS INFORMED HONEST MEN
ON THE NET.
Whoever originated this b.s. story should be totally ashamed for their lack
of sourcing, lack of integrity, and utter disregard for the truth.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ME.

DICK EASTMAN
223 S. 64TH AVE.
YAKIMA, WASHINGTON
EVERY MAN IS RESPONSIBLE TO EVERY OTHER MAN


Mike Ruppert
"From The Wilderness"
www.copvcia.com
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