IS TERRY DEAD YET?
Sat Oct 18 19:04:01 2003
IS TERRY DEAD YET?
Doctor Disputes Media Claims Terri Will Not Suffer Agonizing Death
by Steven Ertelt
October 16, 2003
Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- While Michael Schiavo and some media outlets
claim Terri Schiavo will die in peace, doctors say Terri's starvation death will
be agonizing and painful.
David Stevens, M.D., executive director of the Christian Medical Association,
says Terri will suffer in part because she, despite media reports to the
contrary, is not in a persistive vegetative state.
PVS patients are those who "are unaware of themselves, their environment and are
unable to interact with others in any way," Stevens told LifeNews.com. "They can
breathe and retain some brainstem reflexes but they are not able to sit up or do
other things that Terri can do."
Stevens says that when feeding tubes are withdrawn patients should still receive
food and water orally. That is not the case with Terri as Michael Schiavo
decided against it and Judge Greer affirmed his decision.
"Nutrition and fluids or a universal human biologic requirement and a
fundamental demonstration of human caring," Stevens explained.
As far as Terri's starvation is concerned, some media outlets have reported that
Terri "won't feel a thing" because she will be prescribed pain medications. In
fact, Michael contends Terri has had no feeling since her 1991 heart attack.
Peggy Guin, a nursing instructor at Shands Hospital at the University of
Florida, told the Tampa Tribune that her experience with patients removed from
feeding tubes shows they feel no pain.
Kenneth Goodman, director of bioethics at the University of Miami School of
Medicine, told the newspaper "she is not going to feel a thing."
"There is nothing unusual about terminating hydration and nutrition,'' Goodman
said. "The reason why Florida law allows it, and the other 49 states allow it,
is obviously that this can be done in a way that is pain-free and dignified.
That is why it is legal.''
Stevens strongly disagrees.
"Without intervention Terri will not have a comfortable death," Stevens told
Technically, Terri will die from dehydration, not starvation.
"Her progression will go from thirst to extreme thirst. [Terri] is likely to cry
and moan till she is so dehydrated she won't have tears and her mouth is too dry
and cracked to make sounds," says Stevens.
"If she gets any fluids in by mouth (if they are allowed) the process could take
longer," Stevens tells LifeNews.com.
Terri will likely suffer numerous symptoms over time, and they will get worse
the longer it takes for her to die.
"She may have nose bleeds as the mucous dries out. She will probably experience
nausea, vomiting and cramps as her intestines dehydrate. She will decrease her
urine output, have dizziness, cramping in the arms and legs as her electrolytes
get out of balance," Stevens explains.
Unless Terri's feeding tube is reinserted quickly or she is able to receive food
and water orally, her situation may grow worse.
"She may have seizures and even further brain damage during the process,"
IS TERRY DEAD YET?
Terri Schiavo wants to live
Secret therapy given to disabled woman who starts judge-ordered starvation today
Oct 15, 2003
Terri Schindler-Schiavo does not want to die. She would like to go home. And she
tried to convey this to her father in no uncertain terms by sitting bolt upright
and trying to get out of her chair when told she might be killed, her family has
The stunning news was released yesterday afternoon by Terri's father, Robert
Schindler, at the 'round-the-clock vigil outside the Woodside Hospice facility
in Pinellas Park, Fla., where his daughter's court-ordered death by starvation
is scheduled to begin today at 2 p.m. Eastern. At that time, her husband and
legal guardian Michael Schiavo is scheduled to give the order to disconnect the
39-year-old brain-disabled woman's feeding tube that has provided her with
sustenance for the past 13 years.
In an interview a few hours earlier, Schindler described the incident to
WorldNetDaily. He said he was holding a cell phone to Terri's ear as she
listened intently to the speaker, propped in her jerry-chair at about a
30-degree angle. Suddenly she sat up straight and tried to get out of her chair,
despite her weak legs and muscles that were slack from lack of exercise.
His daughter's response stunned Schindler, who grabbed the phone and asked, "My
God, what did you tell her?"
The speaker said he had warned, "If you don't get up and get out of there,
you're going to die there."
"He was ecstatic when I told him what Terri had tried to do," Schindler said.
And so was Schindler. It was part of a covert rehabilitation program the
desperate father and Galaxy Wave Group – a therapeutic company on the
cutting-edge of medical technology – devised for Terri in a bold attempt to
bring her to a point of recovery where even Florida judges would realize they
could not allow her to be starved.
Beginning in late November last year and continuing until the end of February,
Terri received daily, hour-long therapy sessions by telephone with company
president Dr. Joe Champion or one of his therapists.
While Schindler held the phone to his daughter's ear, they would talk with her,
giving her instructions and tasks: move your left arm, move your hand, and so
"We started right around Thanksgiving," Schindler recalled. "The first day Dr.
Champion listened to the sounds she was making and said he felt it wouldn't be
long before she was talking. That was the objective."
The therapy sessions lasted through February, but were interrupted by bouts of
flu and other illnesses. One particularly severe illness caused her to relapse.
The "tough love" of telling Terri what lies in store for her was tried several
times to stimulate her to work hard.
In a signed affidavit read at the press conference Champion described one of the
"In December of 2002, I confronted Ms. Schindler with the 'truth' and told her
that unless she helped me in returning her from the comatose state that she was
in that she was going to die a horrid death," he wrote. "I explained in detail
that they would remove the single tube that was providing her nutrition and she
would slowly die of starvation. At this point, it was reported by her father
that she sat up in bed and became teary eyed."
That Terri understands her own mortality and reacts so strongly when threatened
runs counter to the official notion that she is oblivious to her surroundings
and will not even know she is being dehydrated and starved to death.
Shiavo's attorney, George Felos, a well-known "right-to-die" advocate, said the
claims of improvement that the Schindlers have been making in the last few weeks
"There is no cognition, no consciousness," he told the Tampa Tribune.
He further explained why no effort was made to spoon-feed her.
"She simply does not have the ability to take food or water by mouth," he said.
"If they tried that, she would aspirate it and suffer an infection that would
likely prove fatal."
To corroborate Schindler's account and for further details, WorldNetDaily
contacted the person who worked with Terri via telephone. He agreed to be
interviewed, but requested his name not be used.
According to "Mr. Smith," Terri was able to move her hand, her arm, her leg on
command. She couldn't speak, but she followed instructions.
"The bottom line is she is not vegetative, the way the husband and the side the
court has gone with want to portray her," Smith said. "She definitely has some
brain damage and severe problems, but she is not a vegetable."
"The problem for Terri is that she can do things, but not on a consistent basis.
One day she couldn't, another day she couldn't or wouldn't," he explained. "I
can't tell you the reasons, but Terri has her good days and bad days. On a good
day she can respond appropriately with no problems. She understands."
Some days are extremely good – like the day she tried to get out of her chair.
"The way Bob [Schindler] described it to you is exactly correct," Smith said.
"She just about got out of that chair."
As he tells it: "I was telling her she has to work with us. I couldn't tell you
my exact words now; it's been a year. But I was explaining to her that she
needed to work with me, that if we could get her to the point to where she could
prove to people that she understood, she could get out of there and go home with
her parents. I was explaining to her that she had to work with us and respond or
they were going to let her die. That's when she tried to get out of the chair."
Smith said they stopped the sessions when he had to leave the area for a couple
of months and were not resumed on his return.
It is clear to Schindler that the therapy was working, but until now he has not
wanted to talk about it. He could not even bring it up in court as evidence,
because it possibly violated a court order.
The Schindlers had reason to suspect that their efforts to help Terri would not
be appreciated and that Schiavo might even obtain a court order banning them
from her room, as he had done in the past. At one point, he banned Terri's
brother and sister from her room for five months simply because they asked the
nurse to try and give her some pudding. But there were other instances.
At the initial trial in January 2000, the Schindlers' attorney at the time,
Pamela Campbell, introduced into evidence a video of Terri made by a friend of
her sister, Suzanne Schindler. It was shown on television news, and three
doctors who saw it contacted Robert Schindler saying that they did not believe
his daughter was in a persistent vegetative state, but that they wanted to
examine her to be sure.
Schindler said he took each of them into her room, and they tested her reactions
to stimuli. They found she was definitely not in a persistent vegetative state,
that she was cognizant and could recognize her family, because when she saw
members of her family she would smile and showed signs of recognition.
All three said they believed Terri had the ability to swallow because she was
not drooling. The affidavits were sent to probate Judge George Greer requesting
him to allow a swallowing test, which he summarily denied.
Greer accepted the affidavits but did not change his mind.
Schiavo was furious that a video had been made of Terri and doctors had been
taken to visit her. In response to his demands, Greer issued an order banning
further videotaping and any still photography, and a list of "approved" visitors
was drawn up. The list was relatively long – over 40 names – but there was a
catch. Visitors could only see Terri if accompanied by a family member. This
meant even Terri's priest, Monsignor Thaddeus Malanowski, did not have normal
access to her.
Schiavo and attorney Felos decided that greater controls were needed. In April
2000, they moved Terri surreptitiously from the nursing home that had been her
home for six years to the Hospice of the Florida Sun Coast, a place intended for
people in the last stages of an illness.
Regulations generally prohibit a hospice from taking a patient who is not
terminally ill and expected to live longer than six months to a year. But Felos
was chairman of the board of directors of the hospice and was able to arrange
for her admission. He resigned his position shortly thereafter.
A year later, in April 2001, her death by dehydration was ordered to begin, and
the day her feeding was stopped her brother and sister came by with a spoon and
a cup of pudding, asking a nurse to try to feed her by mouth. The nurse refused
and reported the request to others. When Schiavo found out he demanded that
Bobby and Suzanne be removed from the list of approved visitors, and Greer
rubberstamped his request.
"We were trying to play by the rules," Bobby told WorldNetDaily. "But that
didn't matter. We were kicked off the list anyway."
Terri was 60 hours without food or water before a different judge issued an
emergency stay because new evidence had come to light, and her feeding was
The evidence was strong enough for a stay, but not strong enough to end
Schiavo's efforts. A series of appeals followed, and in November 2001, the 2nd
District Court of Appeals ordered an evidentiary hearing held in the fall of
Five months following their banishment from the Hospice, Bobby and Suzanne
Schindler had their visiting rights restored, but only on condition that they
not attempt any spoon-feeding.
"I don't want anyone trying to feed that girl," Greer thundered.
Greer did not specifically place audio-taping and therapy-by-telephone on the
list of banned activities, but experience had taught the Schindler family that
it was best to keep such efforts to themselves rather than run the risk of
angering Schiavo and having their visiting rights suspended.
As WorldNetDaily reported, the Schindlers have been fighting with their
son-in-law for 10 years over the lack of care and therapy Schiavo provided for
their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home
13 years ago under mysterious circumstances at the age of 26.
The contentious family dispute escalated into a major euthanasia battle in May
1998, when Schiavo petitioned the Florida courts for permission to end his
wife's life by disconnecting her feeding tube, insisting she is in a "persistent
vegetative state" and that in casual conversations she had told him she would
not want to be kept alive "artificially." Although Terri breathes on her on and
maintains her own blood pressure, she requires a simple tube into her abdomen to
her stomach for nourishment and hydration.
Although Terri's parents and siblings have claimed for years that she recognizes
them and tries to talk, and over a dozen prominent doctors and therapists have
stated under oath that she is not in a persistent vegetative state and with
therapy could be rehabilitated, a handful of doctors have testified she is
"vegetative." They claim her expressions and vocalizations are simply reflex
actions and she will never regain consciousness. Despite a scarcity of expert
testimony and evidence for Schiavo's position, the Florida courts have
consistently sided with him and Felos.
When the seven-member Florida Supreme Court in August turned down a petition by
the Schindlers to review the case, the way was clear for Schiavo to order his
wife starved to death.
On Sept. 17, Greer, of the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court, scheduled Oct. 15,
today, as the day Terri's feeding tube would be removed.
Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry is coordinating the vigil. He advises
anyone who wants to help Terri to telephone Gov. Jeb Bush and urge him to
instruct the Department of Children and Families, which enforces standards of
hospice care, to do their own investigation to see if she has been getting
proper care and rehabilitation.
"Which we know she has not and will not if they take her tube away," said Terry.
"And when they find she has not, then Bush can order them to assume
guardianship. They must take the guardianship away from the husband."
Jeb Bush's e-mail is email@example.com . His telephone is (850) 488-4441.
Legal documents and information on Terri's fight for life are posted on the
Governor Bush Has Legal Authority - Lacks Political Will Thomas More Law Center, Sun Oct 19 05:51
DAY 5 - EUTHANASIA: A chilling precedent Bob Jones, Sun Oct 19 04:26
Let her go Herb, Sun Oct 19 20:04
Regarding Your Articles on Terri's Case. bethany - megan (robinson), Sun Oct 19 20:56
Michael wants Terri's body cremated ENVAX, Sun Oct 19 05:34
Michael's Lawyer and the Occult RESEARCHER, Sun Oct 19 06:02
SHOCKER - Was Terri A Strangulation Survivor? Jeff, Sun Oct 19 03:02
Think about it taking TWO WEEKS for Terri to die! Ruby Bennett, Sun Oct 19 02:49
Disabled Woman Would Cry 'Help Me,' Jeff Johnson, Sun Oct 19 02:16
RE: DEATH & TORTURE BY STARVATION in Florida! Douglas Valenzuela, Sun Oct 19 00:56
CONTACT JUDGE GREER!!! DLC, Sat Oct 18 19:39
765.309 Mercy killing or euthanasia not authorized; Mary, Sun Oct 19 00:29
The Doctors Trial - TORTURE & DEATH RESEARCHER, Sun Oct 19 01:35
I called 727-541-0759 and asked to speak to Sgt Russo. mrs_bberger, Sat Oct 18 23:51
Unless Gov. Jeb Bush intervenes by 8:00 PM Monday Hal Turner, Sat Oct 18 23:32
Terri Schiavo Update - Saturday, October 18, 2003 07:35:07 P Pamela Hennessy, Sat Oct 18 23:42
SENT: Judge George W. Greer Ralph W. Omholt, Sat Oct 18 22:56
RE:Terri KC, Sat Oct 18 23:32
I sent the following e-mail to Judge Greer Mary Laura English, Sat Oct 18 21:52
GOV. BUSH HAS AUTHORITY TO STOP DEATH OF TERRI SCHIAVO Judical Watch, Sat Oct 18 21:17
Legalized Murder: Terri Schiavo and Death by Starvation Lisa Ruby, Sat Oct 18 21:04
JUSTICE IN AMERICA DEHUMANIZING THE DISABLED Bob Schindler, Sat Oct 18 20:32
Musings on American Morality... Cheryl Seal, Sun Oct 19 00:02
concerning Michael - Starve My Wife To Death Countdown Clock Dr. J. Gardner, Sat Oct 18 20:13
Highlights Differences Between Two Neurologically Disabled Mary Jane Owen, Sun Oct 19 00:18
Michael Schiavo has a child with another woman Nancy Frazier O'Brien, Sat Oct 18 22:21
TERRI: Alex Jones Saturday show Oct. 18, 2003 Eleanor White, Sat Oct 18 21:34
Disabled Woman's Family, Former Nurses Seek Inquiry Jeff Johnson, Sun Oct 19 01:59
Main Page - Sunday, 10/19/03
Message Board by American
Patriot Friends Network [APFN]