Karl Schwartz Caught in Another Lie

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Subject: Karl Schwarz caught with his pants down
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:55:37 +1000
From: Gerard Holmgren

Below are the transcripts of the private conversation I’ve been having with Schwarz while the list demolition has been happening.

Some of you you may recall that In relation to the Tom Flocco article promoting Schwarz’s crackpot theory about an A3 sky warrior hitting the pentagon

http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=110&mo

I previously pointed out two serious factual errors in this sentence.

[[[[A-3’s are even smaller than a Boeing 737 with a wing-span of about 48 feet as opposed to the 737 wing-span of about 148 feet-- ]]

In fact the wingspan of an A3 is 72 ft 6 in

http://www.aviationtrivia.homestead.com/A3.html

http://www.aero-web.org/specs/douglas/ra-3b.htm

http://encycl.opentopia.com/term/A-3_Skywarrior

And the wingspan of a Boeing 737 ranges from 93 ft to 112 ft 6 in,
depending upon the variety.

http://www.answers.com/topic/boeing-737

The figures in the Flocco article are so far out that it’s beyond trivial -- especially when they are attributed to someone who endlessly boasts about having expert inside knowledge of such things, not available to lowly untermenschen like us.

You’ll also note that they can’t possibly be typo’s

93ft/112 ft 6 in V 148 ft

72 ft 6 in V 48 ft.

So it’s difficult to believe that it was a genuine mistake. Either, the figures have just been made up out of thin air -- or else they were deliberately distorted to try to create a particular impression for the casual reader that an A3 is significantly smaller than what it really is and that a 737 is significantly bigger than what it really is. We may pursue later what benefit Schwarz may have been trying to gain from creating this impression.

However for now, let’s concentrate on the following correspondence which demonstrates that when caught on these figures and questioned about it, Schwarz told more whoppers to try to cover up.

Here is what Schwarz wrote to me -- off this list -- after I had exposed the above factual errors to the list, and someone else had passed on the mail to Schwarz -- so if he had read my mail, then he would have been aware at the time of writing the message below of the errors I had referred to.
KS writes

{funny thing Amy, they have been studying the lint in their navels for over 3 years and accomplished nothing. When DC braces themselves, runs for cover from me, maybe it is they that need to go back to doing whatever it was they were doing prior to 9-11 for they are not good.

I wonder if Holmgren has wondered (or even heard) that Kerry and Gore announced right after me and why they did so early? I think not.

They claim "opportunits" without even realizing that I make NO MONEY on my book. Odd, they have not read it and think they know what is in those 832 pages and 897 footnoties.

Fools make such conclusions and that is where I leave Mr. Holmgren. The view must be good in the cheap seats of Australia where he knows nothing of what is going on over here.

Like Kyle Hence, Mr. Holmgren refuses to accept that some people are providing evidence and protecting their lives at the same time.

They are on the front lines, while Mr. Holmgren remains the coward behind the keyboard from the dark side of the moon,

Waste no time Amy, the battle lines are here, not in his living room

Karl }

My reply GH writes.

{What was the wingspan of a 737 again, Karl ?

And of an A3 Sky warrior ?}

KS writes

{115 feet 8 inches and 72 feet 6 inches.

hold til tomorrow

You get an answer and about 4 million get it too

Karl }

GH writes

{So why does the article which Flocco attributes to you say 148 ft
and 48 ft ?

BTW, do you have a link for 115 ft 8 ? Because that’s not what my
info says, although it’s a lot closer than your original BS of 148 ft.

Can you explain why the figures attributed to you by Flocco are way, way out -- not even close ? And you’ve only given me one correct figure and another not quite correct figure now -- after you’d already seen my mail exposing the inaccuracy in the Flocco article ?

[[hold til tomorrow

You get an answer and about 4 million get it too ]]

An answer to what ? Use plain English and stop wasting my time with all this self-aggrandizing cloak and dagger bullshit, you arrogant empty headed wanker. }

KS writes

{typos on his end are not "my BS" prick }

GH writes

{ They can’t be typos with those figures. So you are claiming that
Flocco misrepresented you ?

Also can I have the link for a 737 being 115 ft 8 inches ? }

KS writes

{ have you thought about www.boeing..com <http://www.boeing..com>,
you researcher you

Karl }

GH writes

{ [[have you thought about www.boeing..com <http://www.boeing..com>,
you researcher you ]]

Indeed I have, but for those present who can’t be bothered going past the front page, which is the link you gave and actually going to the technical specifications section

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/technical.html

I’m sorry to have to inform you that it says 112 ft 7 in. for 737 900 and 800

And this link

http://www.answers.com/topic/boeing-737

list other varieties which are 93 ft.

So what was the link for 115 ft 8 in ? }

KS writes

{ www.boeing.com <http://www.boeing.com>, particular model }

GH writes

{ That’s just a link to the front page again. Please send me the link to the relevant page. The one which lists the specification of 115 ft 8 in. }

GH writes again

{ Also, please answer my question. You are claiming that Flocco misreprented you in the article with both the A3 and 737 wingspan figures. Yes or no ? }

COMMENT: It was at this point that Karl called for time out from the other list pleading busy for 3 days, so I just fired off this reminder.

GH writes

{ You’ve had enough time to send me two bogus links for the 115 ft 8 in wingspan claim, so surely you’ve got time to send me the correct one ?

After all, I’m sure you have all your information well organized and at your fingertips, you researcher you.

Can I have the link please ? }

The next thing we heard from Karl was his claim about saving lives in Iraq. I still don’t have an answer.

So I’ve been sent two bogus links, along with a refusal to directly state that the mistake was Flocco’s, plus the clearly implausible story that the figures were typos, then a distraction with a plea for a time out, and then a return to the list with more self aggrandizing bullshit, trying to deny that he’s an arms dealer after having previously been boasting about it.

So in addition to the unanswered questions which had piled up before Karl’s plea for time out, we now have three more.

Karl , can we have the link for the 737 wingspan of 115 ft 8 inches ?

Flocco misrepresented you in the article. Yes or no ? A direct answer please.

If the mistake was allegedly Flocco’s, then you couldn’t possibly know the reason for his mistake. And yet you confidently described them as "typos", when anybody can see that they are not.

93 ft/112 ft 6 in becoming 148 ft
72 ft 6 in becoming 48 ft.

These are not typos. Please explain.