Seymour Hersh: Bush is "Unreachable"
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by Gloria R. Lalumia, BuzzFlash Columnist
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/03/con05117.html
Seymour Hersh visited New Mexico State University (Las Cruces) on Tuesday,
March 29 as part of his speaking tour for his newest book, “Chain of Command:
the Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib.” He opened his presentation by announcing
that he intended to discuss “what’s on my mind” and “where we think we are.”
The first thing on his mind was a chilling assessment of George W. Bush.
“The President,” Hersh sighed. “Bush is as absolutely convinced he’s doing the
right thing,” just as journalists are who think of themselves as white knights
think they are doing the right thing. “Even if we have another thousand body
bags, it won’t deter him.”
“This is where he is. He believes he won’t be measured by today, but in 5 or
10 years” in terms of the Mideast. With regard to Iraq, “he thinks it’s going
well.” Iran, according to Hersh’s contacts, is “teed up.” “This is his
mission,” he continued. “What does it mean?”
And then he delivered the most chilling comments of the evening. “Nothing I
write” is likely to influence Bush, he said. “He is unreachable. I can’t reach
him. He’s got his own world. This is really unusual and frankly, it scares the
hell out of me.”
From this point on, Hersh offered a compendium of the Bush policy failures,
misjudgments, and out-of-touch convictions that have fueled his fears.
Iraq
First, Hersh brought the audience of nearly 2,000 up to date on conditions in
Iraq. He torpedoed Bush’s rosy assessment of the recent elections. “Everything
came to a stop for this election. Satellites were moved over the country. All
assets were dragged over. In Afghanistan, where we really have a war going
on…those guys stood down for three weeks because the drones which pick up
signals were all dragged to Iraq. Nobody knew who they were voting for. If
this had happened in Russia during the Cold War, it would have been laughed
at.”
Assessing the current situation, Hersh remarked that the Iraqis “can’t agree
on what language to speak--it’s zoo time. We’re nowhere, we’re probably not
going to win the war; probably, it will be a Balkanized country. The Turks
want Kirkuk, the city with oil, and they may invade, they may not. Here it’s
spin city. In the European and Mideastern press, there’s a reality that you
don’t get over here.”
Hersh described how he thought Bush treats Americans by retelling an old
Richard Pryor story in which a man comes home to find his wife in bed with
another man. “What you’re seeing isn’t happening,” the husband is told. “Are
you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”
Hersh charged that the American people are not getting a true picture of the
status of the war. He reflected on the fact that “there are no embedded
reporters now and the bombing continues” even though there are no air
defenses. “We don’t know how many sorties are being flown or the tonnage
involved because there are no reporters. We do know that Navy pilots are doing
most of the flying.” Hersh made a point of saying that many in the military,
FBI, and CIA have as much integrity as most academics, and within these
institutions “there are people who respect the U.S. Constitution and the Bill
of Rights as much as anybody.” The Marine Corps personnel are the most
skeptical even as they continue to do most of the heavy lifting. Hersh reports
that many are very bitter, but they are loyal to the principle of civilian
control and are continuing to do their job, but “they are going through hard
times now.”
The bombing of Fallujah, according to Hersh, marked a major escalation of the
“very careful urban bombing” campaign. Fallujah is “an incredibly important
city in Iraq. It led the resistance against the British, it has mosques, it is
a fabled place.” When Fallujah was bombed, an urban bombing planner told Hersh,
“Welcome to Stalingrad, we took it block by block.” Hersh said that it was
amazing that Fallujah was largely not on the table in America for discussion.”
“The Thinness of the Fabric of Democracy”
How have we as a nation gotten to where we are today? Since the ‘80’s
Wolfowitz, Feith, Gingrich and others have been pushing the neo-con idea that
by spreading democracy, we can make the world safer for US interests. “It’s as
if we’ve been taken over by a cult of 8 or 9 people who decided the road to
stop international terrorism led to Baghdad,” according to Hersh. Hersh
recalled how General Shinseki, who testified in February 2003 that we would
need upwards of 250,000 troops to control Iraq, was denounced by Wolfowitz,
because Shinseki’s answers didn’t conform to the neo-con mantra.
“That 8 or 9 people can change so much...Where was the military, the Congress,
the press? What has happened raises the question about the thinness of the
fabric of democracy.”
These days, said Hersh, we hear about the “insurgency” when in truth, “we’re
fighting the Ba’athists, the Sunni, the tribal people. They decided to let us
have Baghdad and fight the war on their terms. It’s not an insurgency—that
implies that we’ve put in a government and they’re fighting against that
government. We haven’t accomplished our objective on that score,” according to
Hersh.
The US is fighting cells of 10-15 people and can’t find them because it has no
intelligence. So the goal now is to make the people who protect the resistance
more afraid of US/Iraqi forces than they are of the resistance so they will
turn and provide information. Fallujah had too much press coverage, so now
everything is being done “off camera.” Hersh describes the situation once one
leaves Baghdad as “cowboys and Indians” since “we control very little.” Hersh
noted that Shia cleric Sistani did nothing as Shia Iraqi Guards and Americans
took down the Sunni in Fallujah. The same thing is now going on in Ramadi.
This long-standing enmity between Shia and Sunni is why, Hersh believes, civil
war is probably in Iraq’s future.
“The Chronology”
Hersh then launched into his chronology of how we went from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib.
Post-9/11, there were voices in the U.S. government that were not pushing the
policy of “payback” since some Taliban had been dealing with U.S. oil
companies, were largely mercantile and many were not happy with bin Laden.
These voices in the government wanted a more nuanced approach. There was also
disagreement with Bush’s plans to go into Iraq, but these people were deemed
“traitors.” He described how the Bush Administration pressured people to come
around to their view. Basically, they exploited human nature. People with
experience who disagreed noticed that junior officials supporting the White
House got the face time with the President, the meetings, and the big end of
the year bonuses. So it was only a matter of time before those who did not
favor Bush’s policies, people with kids and mortgages, decided they had to
“join the team” to survive. (See the section on the Q & A below for more
insights on what people in the government and military have been thinking.)
Bush elected to rout the Taliban, but pulled out the most elite units in early
2002 for redeployment to the Mideast for the coming war in Iraq. Although Bush
says we’ve “won” in Afghanistan, “the ‘bad guys’ are still there, the
elections have been delayed for a second time, crime is up, they are the
largest producers of heroin in the world, and at one point, 700 kids were
dying of hypothermia and malnutrition every day” during the hard winter.
Following Bush’s victory show on the carrier in May 2003, the reality of Iraq
became clearer. During the invasion, “6,000-12,000 people disappeared
overnight. Most elite units had been ready to fight; sandbags and armed
soldiers were on every corner.” All the people who ran the bureaucracy of
running the country were gone...the people who ran the water, oil ministry and
hospitals. Some of the looting was done randomly by Shiites, but most of the
government records—real estate, marriage licenses, etc.—were looted and burned
systematically. Saddam’s plan was to dismantle the operating units of
government and to fight later. To this day, according to Hersh, the “people
who didn’t fight are now fighting.”
The August 2003 bombing of the U.N. headquarters and the subsequent attack on
the Jordanian Embassy, which Hersh describes as the psyops center for CIA and
other espionage, sent a key message: “that the resistance was hitting
facilities that would take out other facilities”—in other words, the hitting
of key facilities would create a ripple effect, undermining other functions
down the line.
At this point, about a year before the Presidential election, Karl Rove got
involved. With a desperate need for intelligence, the push was on to squeeze
prisoners for information. Hersh said that most of the prisoners “had nothing
to do with anything.” Most were caught at roadblocks or any male under 30 was
grabbed if he was in the area after an ambush.
At Abu Ghraib, many of the guards were simply traffic police who had been give
two weeks of training before being sent to the prison. In September 2003 the
abuse of prisoners had begun. The attempts to gain intelligence were based on
what Hersh called a “most acute form of torture,” the shaming of prisoners by
using pictures of frontal nudity of males and posing prisoners as if they were
performing homosexual acts, knowing that if photographs were shown in their
communities, this would be death for them. This threat of distribution didn’t
get very far because the situation we have today is that we still have no
intelligence from inside the resistance or as Hersh puts it, “We don’t know
jack.”
From September to December 2003, torture was going on at night and all the top
generals were coming in and out of Abu Ghraib. With the release of the Darby
CD in January 2004, Rumsfeld appeared before Congress admitting things were
“bad” but the extent of the abuse was still secret until Hersh and CBS broke
the story open.
“How does Abu Ghraib play out in the real world?”
For the first and only time during his talk, Hersh raised his voice and boomed
this question into the mike: “The President, what did he do between January
and May? They prosecuted a few low-level kids when these pictures came out.
These pictures were a shock to their (Arab) culture, they viewed America as
being sexually perverse. When it hits the paper, Bush says ‘I’m against
torture.’” But instead of a real investigation, Hersh says all we got were
hearings and inquiries about “rules and regulations.” Hersh, in talking to a
lot of GIs involved in the abuse, has concluded that soldiers were told “Just
don’t kill ‘em, do what you want.”
Hersh recalled how after the My Lai incident in Viet Nam, the mother of a
soldier who took part in the massacre told him that “I gave them a good boy,
they sent me back a murderer.” Hersh believes the military has a
responsibility to the young people they send off to war. He is concerned about
the psychic damage of our troops and told one story about a woman back from
Iraq who is getting big black tattoos everywhere on her body. Her mother
believes that she wants to be in someone else’s skin. Hersh believes that when
this is all over, we’ll be hearing things about the war that we won’t want to
hear.
Touching on the situation at Guantanamo Bay, Hersh said that of the 600 people
there, about half have had nothing to do with terrorism. But, he warns, if
they aren’t Al-Qaeda already, they will be. And the government now faces the
difficulty that many detainees can’t even be released because they’ve now
become more of a threat as a result of their imprisonment than they were
before they were sent to Gitmo.
According to his contacts in military/intelligence circles, the debate over
whether 9/11 was part of a deep-seated Al-Qaeda presence in the US or was the
equivalent of a “pick-up team” has been largely resolved. Most experts have
come down on the side of the latter. So, the US will have to come to terms
with what we’ve done eventually, and in Hersh’s view, “there’s no good news in
this, folks.”
Q & A: Oil and How Our Military/Government Feels about Bush’s Policies
Most of the Q & A was spent on oil and what people in our military and
government are thinking about Bush’s policies.
1) A question about oil as Bush’s real reason for the Iraq war was raised:
Hersh said that his best guess is that oil was not “the real thing he wanted
to do.” The neo-con mantra, ‘all roads lead to Baghdad’ and ‘democratization,’
the latter concept which goes all the way back to Jeane Kirkpatrick, were the
major ideas behind the war. Bush couldn’t have sold “democratization” on it’s
own, so WMD’s were used as the reason. “If we had known there was no WMD,
there would have been no vote.”
Hersh warned that when the price of oil reaches $68-$69 a barrel, this will be
the crunch point in terms of real economic decline. If Bush wants to move
against Iran, which is pumping about 3.9 barrels a day, he’s heading for
trouble. According to Hersh, Iran will scuttle every ship in the Straights of
Hormuz and the Malaca Straits in Indonesia. It will take months of dredging
and salvaging to approach normalcy.
If oil is Bush’s top priority, “Bush is just not behaving as someone who is
managing an oil crisis” and has already been “mismanaging oil in Iraq.”
Hersh passed along a comment he had picked up that illustrates the level of
Bush’s awareness. “You could call Wolfowitz a ‘Trotskyite,’ a permanent
revolutionary. Wolfowitz would know what you are talking about. But Bush
wouldn’t.”
2) A couple of questions touched on opinions in the military/government toward
Bush’s policies:
According to Hersh, elite intel groups are troubled by the missions they are
being ordered to carry out and they are questioning what they are doing. Hersh
said that he is not a “pacifist” because there are people want to hurt us and
we need to be able to protect ourselves. But, in Afghanistan, things could
have been done differently. Hersh said he wants us to know that those who know
the Constitution are very concerned. In particular, Navy Seals are suffering
“massive resignations over disillusionment” over Bush’s policies. “Our
President chose not to do things in ways that could have avoided this...he had
other options available.” Hersh concluded by reiterating that “vast parts of
government didn’t believe there were WMD’s” and that Bush’s neo-con policies
are “a product of paranoid thinking and the Cold War.”
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
Copyright 2005, Gloria R. Lalumia
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/03/con05117.html
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