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A Reason to Reopen OKC Bombing Investigation?
Thu Mar 18 02:04:41 2004
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A Reason to Reopen OKC Bombing Invesigation?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112730,00.html

McVeigh (search) was executed two years ago for the Oklahoma City bombing. His friend, Terry Nichols (search), could end up being put to death, as well.

But are there other conspirators out there who are not paying for the crime?

Heather Nauert is here were that story.

HEATHER NAUERT, FNC CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, John.

Well, according to the new report, the FBI believed that white supremacists may have plotted with Tim McVeigh.

Joining me now from Dallas is the retired FBI chief for the Oklahoma City investigation, Dan Defenbaugh (search).

Today's big question, Dan, should the Oklahoma City bombing (search) investigation be re-opened?

DAN DEFENBAUGH, RETIRED FBI CHIEF: I think with regard to those three issues that are mentioned in that article, that were profound. They are at least an indication that those items should have come to the Oklahoma City bombing task force, those items should have been compared with the blasting caps that we know that were utilized...

NAUERT: Dan, let me just interrupt you for a second. I want to back up real quick for our viewers who are not yet familiar with this story and are hearing it for the first time.

You were in charge of the Oklahoma City bombing investigation for the FBI. Now you are retired. There was also some sort of parallel investigation going on into a group of American — actually white supremacists for a string of bank robberies. And it's believed that those robbers could have been involved with Timothy McVeigh.

Can you tell me what new evidence has come to light that could connect the two?

DEFENBAUGH: Well, Heather, it wasn't actually a parallel investigation. Those robbers were utilizing bombs and were robbing banks.

They were a white supremacist group. And we had conducted investigations on both sides to see whether or not McVeigh and Nichols had any involvement with those bank robbers and vice versa. Throughout this project, we worked together.

Now the writer of the article has come up with some additional information about certain items that were taken and seized at that time that actually didn't go even to the FBI laboratory. They were not compared and, quite frankly, they should have been compared with the Oklahoma City bombing case.

NAUERT: But of all the people that should have known that there was another investigation — we won't call it a parallel investigation — but that there was another investigation going on, you should have known about that, but you weren't told about this.

That's got to make you pretty angry because that is information you could have used and certainly the defense could have used.

DEFENBAUGH: We knew about the investigation. We had an agent on the project unit and a number of people assigned to work with them.

That evidence that you're reading there in that article did not come to light to us. That's correct. And it should have been compared.

NAUERT: So, some of this information that has come forward, it includes the following.

Some of the white supremacists claim that they were involved in the Oklahoma City bombing. Some of the same evidence was found in Timothy McVeigh's van, as was found in the supremacist's apartment. What does that tell you?

DEFENBAUGH: I think that your use of "same" is not completely accurate. It appears that there was blasting caps and there was news — excuse me, Christmas wrapping paper.

If you'll recall during the testimony, Timothy McVeigh at one time had Maury Fortier (ph) wrap some blasting caps in Christmas wrapping paper in a box. So therefore, that kind of information, if we would have known that, we would have certainly taken and conducted an additional investigation to either prove or eliminate any association with the Oklahoma City bombing case.

NAUERT: Naturally, Timothy McVeigh's former defense attorneys have so far come forward, and they have said something along the lines of this completely closes the circle, basically trying to say that there was somebody additional involved in this. Not just Timothy McVeigh. And not just Terry Nichols.

Was the wrong guy possibly put to death? In your opinion?

DEFENBAUGH: No. There's no question whatsoever in my mind that Timothy McVeigh was involved and that's a gigantic leap for the defense attorneys to make.

I think that what this shows is that those items should be compared. I think that what you're looking at right now, because of all the evidence that we had and particularly if you'll recall the Daryl Bridges (ph) calling card that was utilized by McVeigh and Nichols totally to assist them with the conspiracy to commit that bombing.

NAUERT: OK. Dan?

DEFENBAUGH: None of the evidence we have so far has compared and has been able to identify or associate those individuals. All that's come forward right now is additional evidence that was recovered there, that was never compared to the Oklahoma City bombing case.

NAUERT: OK. Great. Dan Defenbaugh, thank you so much for joining us.

By the way, some of that evidence was since destroyed. And so everybody knows, Terry Nichols will stand trial next week in Oklahoma City on state charges that carry the death penalty — John.

GIBSON: Heather Nauert, thank you very much.

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... administrator. Dan Defenbaugh, the now-retired FBI supervisory agent who
led the investigation into the bombing, applauded the move.



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Warnings Before 1995 Oklahoma Bombing
Fri Mar 12 17:32:55 2004
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Warnings Before 1995 Oklahoma Bombing
AP Online via COMTEX ^ | June 20, 2002 | JOHN SOLOMON

A federal informant Cary Gagan was given immunity by US attorneys in Denver in early 1995 for information he provided of a terror attack on a Federal building in the Midwest that included the Murrah building and buildings in Denver and Omaha. Gagan had infiltrated the group ( included drug traffickers, ME terrorists and domestic dissidents)who was planning the bombing, Gagan made a delivery of explosives and a mixer to Dwight Kansas a week or so before the OKC bombing he says for the group. Gagan wrote the US attorneys again on APril 3, 1995 specifically warning them of the attack again. Gagan went public with his information which was shown on local and national TV but was rewarded with having his immunity revoked. Gagan has sued in Federal court over the Fiasco. The court records of this entire story are available and I have seen them. William Jasper of the NEw AMerican travelled Gagan's route with Gagan and believes Gagn was reporting on the group who helped do the OKC boombing. Jasper wrote extensively about Gagan in the NEw AMerican in 1998.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/702985/posts?page=81

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The Middle East connection. The or iginal APB was for two to three =
Middle Eastern men driving a brown pickup truck. A call from an Islamic =
group claimed responsibility at 9:45 a.m. Many of the McVeigh witnesses =
describe John Doe as Middle Eastern, Arabic, or dark skinned.=20

The list goes on. But the most important as pect of this case is the =
information that points toward, at least, some level of prior knowledge. =
Cary Gagan, one of the informants, went to the Justice Department office =
in Denver six months before the OKC bombing to warn of plans to bomb a =
federal building. Another informant, Carol Howe, told her ATF handlers =
of specific people in Oklahoma who were threatening bombings and =
assassinations against the government and elected officials. ATF agents =
and other government employees admitted they were warned or had some =
knowledge of an impending threat. Federal Judge Wayne Alley admitted in =
an interview on April 20, 1995 that he had been alerted about people =
casing out the federal courthouse. This and other information demands =
this question: Why was there no significant security at the Alfred P. =
Murrah building on April 19, 1995?=20
http://www.uwsa.com/pipermail/uwsa/1999q4/009070.html

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Here is McVeigh's essay, written in March, 1998, and published in Media Bypass magazine, in June, 1998. I'd really like to know why this is the one thing he felt compelled to write about from his prison cell.

ESSAY BY TIMOTHY MCVEIGH

The administration has said that Iraq has no right to stockpile chemical or biological weapons ("weapons of mass destruction") - mainly because they have used them in the past. Well, if that's the standard by which these matters are decided, then the U.S. is the nation that set the precedent. The U.S. has stockpiled these same weapons (and more) for over 40 years. The U.S. claims that this was done for deterrent purposes during its "Cold War" with the Soviet Union. Why, then, is it invalid for Iraq to claim the same reason (deterrence) - with respect to Iraq's (real) war with, and the continued threat of, its neighbor Iran?

The administration claims that Iraq has used these weapons in the past. We've all seen the pictures that show a Kurdish woman and child frozen in death from the use of chemical weapons. But, have you ever seen these photos juxtaposed next to pictures from Hiroshima or Nagasaki? I suggest that one study the histories of World War I, World War II and other "regional conflicts" that the U.S. has been involved in to familiarize themselves with the use of "weapons of mass destruction." Remember Dresden? How about Hanoi? Tripoli? Baghdad? What about the big ones - Hiroshima and Nagasaki? (At these two locations, the U.S. killed at least 150,000 non-combatants - mostly women and children - in the blink of an eye. Thousands more took hours, days, weeks, or months to die.)

If Saddam is such a demon, and people are calling for war crimes charges against him and his nation, whey do we not hear the same cry for blood directed at those responsible for even greater amounts of "mass destruction" - like those responsible and involved in dropping bombs on the cities mentioned above? The truth is, the U.S. has set the standard when it comes to the stockpiling and use of weapons of mass destruction. Hypocrisy when it comes to the death of children?

In Oklahoma City, it was family convenience that explained the presence of a day-care center placed between street level and the law enforcement agencies which occupied the upper floors of the building. Yet when discussion shifts to Iraq, any day-care center in a government building instantly becomes "a shield." Think about that. (Actually, there is a difference here. The administration has admitted to knowledge of the presence of children in or near Iraqi government buildings, yet they still proceed with their plans to bomb - saying that they cannot be held responsible if children die. There is no such proof, however, that knowledge of the presence of children existed in relation to the Oklahoma City bombing.)

When considering morality and "mens rea" (criminal intent) in light of these facts, I ask: Who are the true barbarians? Yet another example of this nation's blatant hypocrisy is revealed by the polls which suggest that this nation is greatly in favor of bombing Iraq. In this instance, the people of the nation approve of bombing government employees because they are "guilty by association" - they are Iraqi government employees. In regard to the bombing inOklahoma City, however, such logic is condemned. What motivates these seemingly contradictory positions? Do people think that government workers in Iraq are any less human than those in Oklahoma City? Do they think that Iraqis don't have families who will grieve and mourn the loss of their loved ones? In this context, do people come to believe that the killing of foreigners is somehow different than the killing of Americans?

I recently read of an arrest in New York City where possession of a mere pipe bomb was charged as possession of a "weapon of mass destruction." If a two-pound pipe bomb is a "weapon of mass destruction," then what do people think that a 2,000-pound steel-encased bomb is? I find it ironic, to say the least, that one of the aircraft that could be used to drop such a bomb on Iraq is dubbed "The Spirit of Oklahoma." This leads me to a final, and unspoken, moral hypocrisy regarding the use of weapons of mass destruction. When a U.S. plane or cruise missile is used to bring destruction to a foreign people, this nation rewards the bombers with applause and praise. What a convenient way to absolve these killers of any responsibility for the destruction they leave in their wake. Unfortunately, the morality of killing is not so superficial. The truth is, the use of a truck, a plane, or a missile for the delivery of a weapon of mass destruction does not alter the nature of the act itself. These are weapons of mass destruction - and the method of delivery matters little to those on the receiving end of such weapons.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is thatthis nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine. It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act as viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the used of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to and end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone: "Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

Sincerely, Timothy J. McVeigh

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