Gerard Holmgren
The information the Scholars apparently don;t want released
Sat Mar 11, 2006 18:10
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Subject: The information the Scholars apparently don;t want released
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:07:59 +1100
From: Gerard Holmgren holmgren@iinet.net.au
As explained in my article
What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11, dated Nov 13 2003
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html
Official flight logs from the Bureau of Transportation state that no such flights as A11 or 77 took place on Sept 11 2001.
Since it is theoretically possible that the flights did take place but were somehow omitted from the database, this does not constitute proof that the flights never happened, but it dopes present an overwhelming case for that conclusion.
To my knowledge no-one has ever presented any credible counter argument in support of the theoretical possibility that the data base is inaccurate.
To simply uncritically assume as a fact that the flights took place – without even mentioning the BTS evidence - borders on disinformation by selective omission.
Nevertheless, let us hypothesis that someone presents a credible argument which gives cause for serious consideration of the possibility that the flights did take place, and were somehow deleted from the database.
If so, then we must note that the NTSB reports into the allegedly crashed flights do not mention that mandatory flight data is missing.
Why is this in itself not a subject of interest ? When a plane crashes, air crash investigators are supposed to look under every nook and cranny, to find out every detail about that flight, to leave no stone unturned in the investigation.
Therefore, it should be a major feature of the NTSB investigation to be asking. “Why and how did mandatory flight data for these two flights go missing. ? Was it never recorded ? Or was it subsequently deleted ? If the latter, why and by whom. If the former, why was it not recorded ? And also , why were they not even recorded as scheduled , which is a separate process from recording flight data ? Thus indicating a double indiscretion ? The fact that two separate processes of data compilation for the two flights were both violated strongly indicates that it was done with intent.
Was this connected with the fate of the flights ? If so, in what manner ?
These basic questions should form a crucial part of any NTSB investigation. But the NTSB simply pretends that all is normal.
And so do the Scholars (as an organization).
So does Griffin, BTW. Before publishing NPH, Griffin wrote to me, telling me of his intention to include some of my work on the Pentagon incident, a courtesy for which I thank him. At the time, we discussed the BTS data, and he indicated an initial intention to include that also, but then pulled it at the last minute, giving no reason other than that it was “hard to believe” .
I don’t believe that he has mentioned it since. But we nevertheless find the scholars group (as an organization) quite prepared to publicly put forward the complete bullshit that 3 black boxes were found at the WTC.
If we can ask why the secrecy about the mythical black boxes, surely we can ask the NTSB some questions about something which is recorded as a matter of factual public record.
That being A) Official transportation data says that there were no such flights.
B) On the assumption that the data simply went missing, and that the flights existed, why the NTSB did not make this a major focus of its report and does not even mention it.
From my POV, if the Scholars (as an organization) continue to refuse to include this in the “imvestigation” demands, then they are on trial just as much as the NTSB.
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Subject: The information the Scholars apparently don;t want released
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:07:59 +1100
From: Gerard Holmgren holmgren@iinet.net.au
As explained in my article
What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11, dated Nov 13 2003
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html
Official flight logs from the Bureau of Transportation state that no such flights as A11 or 77 took place on Sept 11 2001.
Since it is theoretically possible that the flights did take place but were somehow omitted from the database, this does not constitute proof that the flights never happened, but it dopes present an overwhelming case for that conclusion.
To my knowledge no-one has ever presented any credible counter argument in support of the theoretical possibility that the data base is inaccurate.
To simply uncritically assume as a fact that the flights took place – without even mentioning the BTS evidence - borders on disinformation by selective omission.
Nevertheless, let us hypothesis that someone presents a credible argument which gives cause for serious consideration of the possibility that the flights did take place, and were somehow deleted from the database.
If so, then we must note that the NTSB reports into the allegedly crashed flights do not mention that mandatory flight data is missing.
Why is this in itself not a subject of interest ? When a plane crashes, air crash investigators are supposed to look under every nook and cranny, to find out every detail about that flight, to leave no stone unturned in the investigation.
Therefore, it should be a major feature of the NTSB investigation to be asking. “Why and how did mandatory flight data for these two flights go missing. ? Was it never recorded ? Or was it subsequently deleted ? If the latter, why and by whom. If the former, why was it not recorded ? And also , why were they not even recorded as scheduled , which is a separate process from recording flight data ? Thus indicating a double indiscretion ? The fact that two separate processes of data compilation for the two flights were both violated strongly indicates that it was done with intent.
Was this connected with the fate of the flights ? If so, in what manner ?
These basic questions should form a crucial part of any NTSB investigation. But the NTSB simply pretends that all is normal.
And so do the Scholars (as an organization).
So does Griffin, BTW. Before publishing NPH, Griffin wrote to me, telling me of his intention to include some of my work on the Pentagon incident, a courtesy for which I thank him. At the time, we discussed the BTS data, and he indicated an initial intention to include that also, but then pulled it at the last minute, giving no reason other than that it was “hard to believe” .
I don’t believe that he has mentioned it since. But we nevertheless find the scholars group (as an organization) quite prepared to publicly put forward the complete bullshit that 3 black boxes were found at the WTC.
If we can ask why the secrecy about the mythical black boxes, surely we can ask the NTSB some questions about something which is recorded as a matter of factual public record.
That being A) Official transportation data says that there were no such flights.
B) On the assumption that the data simply went missing, and that the flights existed, why the NTSB did not make this a major focus of its report and does not even mention it.
From my POV, if the Scholars (as an organization) continue to refuse to include this in the “imvestigation” demands, then they are on trial just as much as the NTSB.
To: 'Michael Morrissey' mdmorrissey@t-online.de, 'Nico Haupt' nicohaupt2@yahoo.com, 'Jones, Steven' steven_jones@byu.edu, 'jim fetzer'' jfetzer@d.umn.edu
CC: 'Morgan Reynolds' econrn@cox-internet.com, ''Rosalee Grable' webfairy@thewebfairy.com, babelmagazine@adelphia.net, wingedpiper@yahoo.com, rmunro@clarku.edu, rmerrill@mica.edu, mcginn@ohio.edu, ajohnson@cs.uic.edu, webstertarpley@yahoo.com, apfn@apfn.net, jwalter@reopen911.org, chossudovsky@videotron.ca, Press@tvnewslies.org, editor@thetruthseeker.co.uk, aauaplanes09112001whathappened@yahoo.co.uk, contactus@legitgov.org, email@hbuecker.net, contact@rumormillnews.com, simon.gray@abovetopsecret.com, Gerhard_Wisnewski_3@compuserve.com, skylax@comcast.net, dame.tartine@skynet.be, jiri.kudelka@villusion.cz, serendipity@magnet.ch, MPWright9@aol.com, k-robjoe@online.no, krsto.herenda@zd.hinet.hr, 'PlaguePuppy' plaguepuppy@comcast.net, WDoyle5615@aol.com, johnhorneuk@aol.com, bollynkaskel@yahoo.com, editor@americanfreepress.net, email@unmask.dk, titus@pacific.net, lynnlandes@earthlink.net, mitchelcohen@mindspring.com, Tfaune@aol.com, ADuncan282@aol.com, APFN@apfn.org, HQ2600@aol.com, wwwatcher2001@yahoo.com, kenvan@comcast.net, cookb@ulv.edu, mkeefer@look.ca, tim.howells@nc.uas.lul.se, mkeefer@uoguelph.ca, duffy@HCI.NET, hcianci@txcc.commnet.edu, jeff_farrer@byu.edu, judy.wood@ces.clemson.edu, curtisr@seattleu.edu, MARCUS.FORD@NAU.EDU, wahinkpe@yahoo.com, barbie@ruf.rice.edu, kevin@mujca.com, psychhst@tiac.net, gabbardd@mail.ecu.edu
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