TruthSeeker24
Debates
Thu Mar 4 09:50:58 2004
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There are always folks who don't believe and hate people like us exposing the New World Order, so here are 2 debates that I like refuting such people:

A Debate on Iraq by Orphan Child and me.
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Orphan Child: The GDP of the US eqals, in one week, the entire GDP of Iraq.

Response: What does GDP have to do with war. War must not come by virtue of a GDP but by sufficient evidence and Iraq failed miserably in that making it an illegal and immoral war.

Orphan Child: Grow up, and understand that this it not about oil. It is about terrorism.

Response: Grow up? Why do you say that? Everything in this fake war on terrorism isn’t about oil, but a lot is because oil is beginning to be a scarcity within this century. The Afghanistan and Iraq regions have tons of oil reserves. I guess that wasn’t a product of oil. Plus, many companies are possessing no-bid contracts on oil. I guess that wasn’t about oil. Many of the Bush administration like Rumsfeld, Condy Rice, Cheney and others have strong oil business ties. I guess that wasn’t about oil. The Bush administration is in lock-step-and barrel with the oil industry. I guess that wasn’t about oil. Who needs to grow up? Not me.

Orphan Child: Osama was quite proud of his accomplishments on 9/11. Why do you doubt him?

Response: I doubt him because he had nothing to do with 9/11. Osama immediately denied any involvement swearing on the Koran at the Pakistani Ummat interview. Osama can’t hijack 4 planes in one day; disable the transponders, fly in perfect symmetry to U.S. targets, etc. without government complicity. Now we have evidence of many of the hijackers proven alive after 9/11 so the hijackers and Osama had nothing to do with 9/11 by resources and sophistication.

Orphan Child: This is America.

What freedoms have you lost? You obviously are allowed freedom of speech.

Response: Just because an illegal law does not blatantly affect many people, doesn’t mean freedoms are maintained. The Patriot Act loses the Freedom of Speech and the Right to a Lawful Search and Seizure since it has a sneak and peek provision which lets federal agents invade your house (all without a warrant), take whatever they want and not tell you about it. This is tyranny. I’ve lost the freedom to protest without being watched and the right of privacy in a lot of areas. Tons of peoples have been illegally arrested for no reason in America. Hundreds of those of Arabic descent have been tortured in Camp-X-Ray with no links to terrorism and they are now bringing lawsuits.

Orphan Child: The US does not invade those countries, because diplomatic resolutions are still in process. Not so with Iraq. saddam made it clear that he would not negotiate, nor cooperate.

Response: The U.S. did invade those countries. Diplomatic resolutions? I’m not too found of the U.N. so by the basis of reason, Saddam should be brought to a war crimes tribunal. If it’s fair to send responsible to Saddam, then Bush, Rumsfeld, and others should be blamed for sending him WMDs in the 1980s.

Orphan Child: What habits did you have in your twenties?

Response: I’m not 21 years old and I’m very young although I know tons about this world and think about the circumstances within society in a critical way. My habits are to live as a human being and try my best to learn the truth and show it to people.

Orphan Child: You can lay the blame directly on AQ for security issues. Yet you do not. What is wrong with you?

Response: Al-Qeada is a CIA creation and there’s certainly nothing is wrong with me. If Al-Qeada committed 9/11 then I would say it, but they didn’t. The USA government carried out 9/11 by tons of evidence even shown in mainstream new articles of how the 19 patsies were trained in US military installations, how the President knew of 9/11, how The Bush Crime Family and Osama bin Laden family had connections for decades.

Orphan Child: saddam was a tyrant. Do you even conceive how it must of been living under his regime.

Response: So is Moa, Stalin, Kim Jon IL, the leader of Sudan, Castro, etc. Did we invade those countries? NO. Just because you have tyrants gives you no license to an outright invasion of a country. This is imperialism. Under a tyrant is bad and harsh. No one should condone that, but we must use legitimate means to carry out a legitimate end. We are not brutes to indiscrimately use force mean we deem necessary.

By TruthSeeker24

Regards.


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Debate with Kelli Marie
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Kelli Marie, you know you can't refute me now... The Truth has been on our side from the beginning. God is on our side indeed. This is my response to her. She's in a long line of folks that want to debate me on these issues. I guess I'm the target for some reason. It seems like for the pass couple of months people are willing to test me out to see if I'm the real deal. Yeah, I'm the real deal. Everything you heard about my brilliant intelligence and persuasive tenacity are truth. I'm not even 21 years old again.

Kelli Marie: I don't agree with you so I'm a "neo-con" who worships George. I don't agree with Hugh so I'm a "liberal."

Response: Well, I don't know your ideology and that seems to my only mistake since I'm a human being and not perfect 100% of the time. I didn't know you disagreed with Hugh and that isn't even an issue. Hugh is a neo-con extremist.

Kelli Marie: Maybe if you did more thinking instead of judging and pigeon holing of others some sort of intelligent dialogue might be possible with either of you.

Response: I do think. What an asinine comment by you. For years, I've investigated about the New World Order, science, history, archaeology, the Bible, and other topics. So to assume that I don't think is just ignorance on your part. I'm just real to point out the facts. Just because someone points out the truth and it seems to you "far out" or "controversial" doesn't mean that it's false. Judging?

I didn't know that judging is illegal now huh? I judge the Patriot Act as illegal. I judge the Iraq War was immoral. I judge this phony President's trade polices deplorable and sucking up to multinational corporations. Judging in the sense of stating the obvious is not only righteous but also honorable. I take honor in outlining Bush's folly and his illegitimate actions to this nation. I can judge righteous judgment (John 7:24).

I’m not pigeon holing people; I’m justly classifying people. Monkey and Hugh Tombstone plus Orphan Child are neo-cons since they support George W. Bush, believe in Iraq, agree with the Patriot Act, want to continue this fake war on terrorism, and enjoy big centralized government ruining people’s lives.

Kelli Marie: As it stands, neither of you seems to have a single original thought, idea or suggestion to contribute -- and I am convinced that neither of you would know a truth (much less THE truth) if it kicked you in the balls.

Response: Your statements are another example of falsehoods, desperate, and noticeable immaturity. All over the internet I've conveyed detailed, original thought on the war, environment, civil liberties, abortion, gun rights, etc. so your comments doesn't move me to submit to your ideals neither does it make me fear nor possess me to be intimidated by you.

I'm not intimidated. I'm not scared and I'm strong to show the Truth. The Truth is this:

-George W. Bush is an ex-cocaine addict who is part of the Satanic Skulls and Bones and Bohemian Grove.

-George W. Bush stole the 2000 Election and was not elected by the people but selected by the Supreme Court.

-George W. Bush rightfully has tariffs on steel but cowered on fear by eliminating those tariffs.

-George W. Bush is involved in the 9/11 attacks then passed Homeland SSecurity and the Patriot Act to exploit people's fears. Both of these illegal laws were created and proposed way before September 11.

-George W. Bush is quoted as to saying that he wants to be dictator.

-George W. Bush led us into Afghanistan. What the media don’t tell you are that Bush had contingent plans to invade the Central Asian country before 9/11. They had troops in Tajikistan for the whole invasion before the attacks. In that war, a puppet leader is there and civilians were killed near the Illuminati’s pipeline in exploitating the oil in that region.

George W. Bush led us into an illegal war in Iraq. There were no massive WMDs, no ties to al-Qeada, no involvement by Iraq in 9/11, no immediate, direct, or imminent threat to our shores not even to neighboring Middle Eastern nations therefore destroying any justification for a war.

This war was an unjust war plain and simple. Now, our military are stretched thin and many Iraq civilians are dead. I see no problem with Iraq being a free nation and plans for a Constitution is a good thing, but the ends don’t justify the means. You can attack sovereign nations possessing no threat and wash your hands in having no blame or inherent responsible for it.

-George W. Bush continues to support the illegal Assault Weapons Ban. George W. Bush seeks to weaken the Clean Air Act (a common sense environmental law).

-George W. Bush greatly weakens the economy with 3 million jobs lost and multinational corporations outsource many of them overseas to be exploitation. They don't benefit the Third World at all.

-George W. Bush came supposedly as an uniter, but not divided this nation in half with people hating each other in political views and other points. His new commercials are pure propaganda to brainwash folks in aligning with his radical, fascist agenda.

I fully embrace and realize the truth. Those points are the Truth. You can take it, as you want to take it. My solutions are transparent and I've said them before. If I were President I would sign an executive order banning any attempt to form a global government under no circumstances. I would end our ties with the U.N. and get America out of the WTO, NAFTA, and GATT.

I will ban the Patriot Act I and II, compensate Iraqi families, apologize to the world community for bad policies by the U.S.A. government, I would end Homeland SSecurity, I would reform the CIA and FBI, I would arrest George W. Bush, Rumsfeld, Bush 41, etc. for treason against America, I would ask for international assistance in Iraq, I would destroy the many biometric and microchip system within this country, I will show programs to help the poor, and other reforms.

Those are my solutions and there are much more.

Kelli Marie: Thank you for making my evening. I'll giggle all the way through dinner.

Response: You can laugh or giggle. I just pity you...I'm coherent, stable, fortified, and truth seeker. I've debated people extremely intelligent before and I know my stuff. Whatever ideology you are you need to embrace the real truth not lies..................



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