More debates in 2005

Marc/Riverside and the infamous Neo-Con Hugh Tombstone.
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March/Riverside: If it ain't bad it ain't good.

If it is good, it is bad.

If it is bad, blame Bush.

Simple to live on the left.

Response: The brainwashed mind of a Neo Con like Marc/Riverside and Hugh are this:

If it's good, let's exaggerate to worship Bush.

If it's bad, let's distort it to worship Bush.

If it's immoral, let's still give worship to Bush.

Bush is always right all of the time and let's not criticize him at all on Iraq, etc.

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Marc/Riverside: You just don't pay attention. Hugh and I have disagreed with our President many times. Its just hard on you because he is right so often.

Did you see the Iraqi people the other day? Did you see anything positive?

As far as criticizing Bush on Iraq goes, I don't do it. Yet I think that some should criticize him. Its good that people have different views. However it should be done honestly and with out hate. Some on these boards do that quite well. Others are nothing but hate. But this hate stuff is from the left as well as the right. Hugh might poke fun at the left some times but he is not one of the hate posters here.

At least I don't see him that way.

Response: I do pay attention. Frankily, I've only heard only a few issues where you disagree with Bush on. That's it. The President is not right on civil liberties, on the environment, on the right to bear arms, on outsourching, on the economy, on the right to life, on Iraq, on free speech, on election fraud, on war, on peace, etc. That's a lot. Tons of conservatives and liberatarians degree with him on tons of issues.

That's just a fact and you need to pay attention to that. I saw the Iraqi people. I see something positive by many Iraqi waking up to the U.S. occupation. I see something positive by many Americans exposing the New World Order. I see something positive by mentioning the war crimes committed by the Bush gang. I see something positive in people worldwide knowing that the government is involved in 9/11.

Mentioning death which is reality isn't hate. Saying that Bush is part of a Satanic Secret Society isn't hate. Also, talking about the plans to invade Iraq, take its resources, and dominate the people into forcing "democracy" [it's not even a Republic, but mob rule.] isn't hate, but true. One positive news is the continued hope and urging of the U.S. can leave Iraq as soon as possible and as legitimate as positive. Hugh is a brainwashed neo-con. Sometimes he shows hates and sometimes he doesn't.

He almost worship the man as a "god." Sorry, I don't play political worship and my alliegance is not to a man who is an incompotent, evil leader.

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Marc/Riverside: Thats fine TS you have your view. But I happen to like his position on all of the things you listed. I like that he takes action instead of sweet talking us like Clinton did.

I can only suggest that you look at the Democrats. Look not at what they say but what they do.

Response: I have my view, but I do believe in absolute truth and many of Bush's policies aren't part of it. Do you really like his positions on all of the things I've mentioned:

civil liberties: He created the Patriot Act which many liberal and conservative legal scholars condemn as illegal. Also over 300 cities passed resolutions banning it. Section 802 ambigious defines terrorism and there are cases of the government overreaching the lives of the people.

the environment: A man can disagree with some aspects of Kyoto and be pro-environment, but Bush has issued no plan to embrace alternative energy and he cut down regulation of the Clean Air Act (a legitimate environmnetal law that has nothing to do with Gaia worship).

the right to bear arms: Bush supported a ban on assault weapons then backed off. Also, he is known to supports tons of gun control measures like safety locks, etc. Bush is pro-gun control.

on outsourching: This is a crime and Bush loves to allow corporations to run free with no tariffs using tax loopholes to escape taxes.

on the economy: it is stagnant at best with millions in poverty and out of work.

on the right to life: Bush is not Pro-Life. He never condemned Roe v. Wade or called for its outlaw. He support abortion for rape or incest and allows taxpayers' dollars to fund federal abortion recorded by BushRevealed.com and other sources.

on Iraq: This war is illegal since it violated Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution allowing Congress to declare war. Bush used a weak Resolution to execute like LBJ's Resolution to justify the illegal Vietname war. Iraq is a mess with continued terror attacks and new information makes the recent election a show for the Elite.

on free speech: Bush hates it by even allowing those in his rallies to sign pledges to support him before being in the crowd. That isn't free speech. Allow he created the Matrix, Freedom Iniative, and other programs that are against the First Amendment. It's not hard to tell that he's the most Big-Brother, anti-civil liberty President in the 21st century.

on election fraud: Bush called for no investigation of the election fraud in Ohio and Florida despite evidence pointing to such. I'm not even mentioning how pro-Republicans own many of the top-American electronic voting companies or how supporters of Bush from the Supreme Court selected him into office or Bev Harris' exposing of this election fraud.

on war and on peace: Bush wants to force democracy worldwide only in Middle Eastern countries and those that have his material interest in heart. Forget China, Congo, Sudan, and other nations when they possess genocide for ages. He wants mob rule and imperialism not a Republic. We have no right to shed blood in war without just cause. Clinton is just an Elite who's just as bad as Bush. You need to Break out of your Left/Right paradigm and see the real Hidden Hand.

By TruthSeeker24

February 5, 2005

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Me: So-called positive news never justify unjust blood shed by any human being. Also, conspiracies have existed throughout human history and they are even mentioned in the Bible. If you deny any conspiracy existing before, you're a liar. Plus, Bush, Cheney, and other planning to invade Iraq years before it happen with motives other than democracy isn't theory, but fact. Just look at the Project for a New American Century Document.

Hugh Tombstone: sigh..... I do pay attention....U R Blind..

Response: I do pay attention like always. I was once blind, but now I see.