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Subject: OKC Bombing Perpetrator - Michael Fortier - Not worth a crap from day one - Mr. Heidelbergs P.O.V.
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:21:33 -0600
From: C. Emery
chrisemery@cox.net In lieu of the recent flurry in the M.S.M. about Oklahoma Bombing Perpertrator - Michael Fortier's alleged release from prison, Here's a very interesting take on the situation by Hoppy Heidelberg when Fortier was nothing more than a person of interest.
In retrospect, this makes a heck of a lot more sense than the bologna the feds and the major media have been shoveling out to us for the past eleven years.
1.) It's consistent with the proof that we're still being lied to about the relevant details of the bombing case.
2.) The DOJ was running roughshod over the investigation of this case within 48 hours of the bombing and this is the best they chose to come up with as the messed with Fortier, knowing full well they didn't need anything of substance from him to try and convict McVeigh and Nichols.
3.) Summarily dismissing Mr. Heidelberg from the OKC bombing federal grand jury proves my point. The DOJ didn't want the truth on this case presented in court. Period. And they stopped at nothing to make sure their objectives would be met in the federal trials of McVeigh and Nichols and the subsequent State of Oklahoma vs. Terry Nichols trial [March to June of 2004].
Consider the following examples:
A.) The premature destruction of physical evidence by demolishing the remains of the A.P. Murrah Bldg and the surrounding crime scene on May 23rd, 1995, a mere six weeks after the bombing; and hauling off all of the remaining rubble to four different landfills surrounding OKC. The A.P. Murrah Bldg. architect clearly stated beforehand that the building was able to be rebuilt and did not require domolishing
B.) Altering, ignoring or completely destroying FBI 302 witness statements. And refusing to accept at least (23) notarized witness statements at the FBI's Denver field office. See notation [D] below pertaining to Patrick Ryan.
C.) Threatening and disparaging key defense counsel witnesses in Oklahoma City. Harrasing coercing and indimidating several of these same witnesses upon their arrival at the Denver airport hours before they were to testify in the McViegh and Nichols federal trials.
D.) And of course one of the most egregious stunts: Federal Prosecutor Patrick Ryan ordering FBI field agents throughout the world to give him information that would indict and convict ONLY McVeigh, Nichols and Fortier and be damned with additional evidence showing several other perps. were involved - including at least two federal government confidential informants that gave documented prior warnings /acquired prior knowledge of the bombing to ATF and FBI personnel as early as December of 1994. The bombing occurred on April 19, 1995.
E.) If Mr. Ryan takes exception to this statement, then I invite him to submit to a lie detector test AFTER reviewing the 154 page Writ of Mandamus pleading to the Judge Richard P. Matsch which clearly shows the Oklahoma City Bombing was an INTERNATIONAL act of terrorism vs. the farcical domestic militia movement, terrorist ANFO bombing stunt he and several dozen of his colleagues continue to purport to this day. This Writ of Mandamus presented by defense counsel Stephen Jones was not allowed in either the McVeigh nor Nichols trials. Trial Judge Richard P. Matsch made sure of that.
F.) Furthermore, I'll ask him to comment on the scathing (33), thirty-three page report issued by the U.S. Office of The Inspector General [OIG] in February of 1997 - two and a half months before the McVeigh federal trial started. Again, this report was sealed and withheld by Judge Matsch from the defense counsel and jury members of the McVeigh and Nichols trials.
Mr. Ryan may be interested to know that the physical and forensic evidence he and his colleagues chose to present to these same jury members was found by the OIG to: "..contain several flaws, was unjustifiable, incomplete, inappropriate too specific and based on improper grounds, scientifically unsupportable, selective or confusing and tiltled in such a way as to incriminate the defendants. We [OIG personnel] are troubled that the opinions in the FBI report have been tailored to conform to the evidence associated with the defendants. We conclude that FBI agent Williams [and several of his associates/superiors in the FBI crime lab in Washington, DC] failed to present an objective, unbiased, competent report."
I could go on for several pages listing dozens of other corrupt aspects of the investigation. But, I think you get my point.
Lastly, I don't think Fortier was released from prison within the last two weeks. I think he's been out for quite some time c/o the federal witness protection program. Furthermore, I think he was released well before his testimony at the State of Oklahoma vs. Terry Nichols back in April of 2004. And Fortiers perp walk in street clothes with a bullet proof vest and handcuffs to/from the Pittsburg County courthouse in McAlester, OK was a cruel publicity stunt to support the illusion he was still in federal custody. And the recent press about Fortier being happy to see is family and the no comment response from his lawyer is total hogwash.
My point is: The Federal B.O.P. and DOJ continue to mess with the OKC bombing victims family members and survivors. They've consistently lied to Atty. Jesse Trentadue of Salt Lake City, UT about the suicide [brutal murder] of his brother Kenny Trentadue - see link posted below. They've lied to us all in the past and continue to do so, plain as day- in your face to the Oklahoma City bombing victims family members and survivors.
Then, simple common sense would prompt me to ask: why should we believe them about the release of Michael Fortier?
Unfortunately, people scratch their heads wondering why many of us here in OKC continue to ask for justice pertaining to the blatant criminal conduct that goes unchecked pertaining to the OKC bombing case and several others that have followed. Such as:
Kenny Trentadues murder@
http://www.truthinjustice.org/trentadue.htm OCPD Sgt. Terry Yeakeys murder @
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/yeakey.htm The shoot down of TWA 800 @
http://raylahr.entryhost.com/ The encore performance cover-up of the tragedy of 911. See: www.911truth.org which is one of the best sites out there - among several others - addressing the unanswered questions about the 911 case.
Thank goodness we've got people like Hoppy Heidelberg [below], Charles Key and the OKBIC @
www.okcbombing.org ,
Atty. Jesse Trentadue; Craig
Roberts@www.riflewarrior.com and dozens of others that continue to sort through all cases posted above.
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1.) This interview was found by a google.com search at:
http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/okc5.htm 2.) Here is a photo taken of Mr. Heidelberg at the OKC Ten Years Later Truth Speakers Forum:
http://okc.digitalstyledesigns.com/SpeakersForum/HoppyHeidelberg.html 3.) To order an excellent video on Hoppy's case reviewing how andwhy he was dismissed without cause from the OKC bombing Federal Grand Jury in October of 1995 click onto this link:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indictment_inside_the_oklahoma_city_grand_jury_the_hoppy_heidelberg_story/ Christopher Emery
OKC
Please read on.
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What does Hoppy Heidelberg have to say about this? If you've read my previous posts or kept up with this bombing through other sources, you know that Hoppy was the original foreman of the grand jury that eventually indicted McVeigh and Nichols. You can read a really good interview with Hoppy at:
http://www.devvy.com/9606.html#grandHoppy has this to say in that interview:
"Q: Let's talk about Michael Fortier, McVeigh's friend. At first when the FBI questioned he said McVeigh would never have blown-up the federal building and killed all those people. He said all the FBI had on McVeigh was his arrest for a traffic violation and a concealed weapons charge. Then a couple of months later he's saying that he and McVeigh actually went to
OKC and cased the federal building with an eye to bombing it. What's going on here?
A: No. You're off base on that.
Q: You mean on Fortier's confession? He's confessed to being a participant in the bombing.
A: That's not it.
Q: I don't understand.
A: Let me put it this way, if I had been Fortier's attorney, he would have walked. He wouldn't have given a statement and he would have walked.
Q: That's pretty strong.
A: There's a lot you need to know about Fortier.
Q: In the Media Bypass article, you said he was just a kid and the FBI put a big scare into him.
A: Tremendous pressure. They brought 24 hour-a-day pressure on him for several months at great expense. They were on him at his job in Kingman, AZ., and because of that he was fired. They were on him at his home at his trailer, too.
Q: That much?
A: Do you see?
Q: Well, I know there was a weapons charge they were threatening Fortier with, and I believe they also said they'd put his wife in jail if he didn't cooperate.
A: It has to do with the sheer amount of pressure over that period of time.
Q: Wearing him down.
A: He had no attorney.
Q: Are you serious?
A: For that whole period. And he wasn't under arrest either.
Q: That's -
A: He was pressured for 24 hours a day and he had no attorney. He's a kid. He's not smart enough to understand what's going on.
Q: Not smart enough -
A: To realize the FBI had nothing on him. He had no one to advise him.
Q: The FBI couldn't arrest him?
A: They didn't want to arrest him.
Q: Why not?
A: Because if they did, they'd have to appoint a lawyer for him. It was months before he was arrested.
Q: I'm digesting this. It's very bizarre.
A: He got conned.
Q: But eventually he did give them what they wanted. He confessed to being involved in the crime with McVeigh.
A: You're missing it.
Q: Well, if he hasn't made an outright confession -
A: Let me ask you something. What's the fastest way to get from Kingman, AZ., to Southern Kansas?
Q: I have no idea. If Fortier and McVeigh were traveling from Kingman to Southern Kansas....
A: They'd go through OKC.
Q: Oh. Fortier just told the FBI they had been in OKC on their way to Kansas? That's all? He didn't say they were casing the federal building?
A: You're warmer.
Q: Well, all right. If Fortier never told the FBI they cased the building...
A: It's somewhere in between.
Q: In between? You mean, it's between they were just passing through OKC and they were casing the building?
A: You're warmer.
Q: Fortier told the FBI they were in OKC on the way to Kansas and they went by the federal building, and they looked at it. Something like that.
A: Something like that.
Q: And there was never a real admission about planning to blow up the building.
A: You need to read Fortier's confession. It was printed in the Daily Oklahoman.
Q: Fortier, the prosecution's big witness, never confessed. Is that what you're saying? Not even close?
A: Not even close.
Q: But the prosecution didn't need him to gain an indictment against McVeigh.
A: They want Fortier as a witness in the actual trial. Big time. But if his statement is so far south of being a confession, then they can't really use him at the trial.
Q: No they can use him. What he has to say won't make an impression on some jurors, but it could tip the scales for other more gullible jurors. The FBI spent all this time pressuring the hell out of Fortier.
A: That's very important because you see, obviously that was the best they could do. They stayed with him so long because they had nothing better. Fortier's involvement in the bombing was so minimal it was a waste of time. If I was the FBI man in charge, I would have made one run at Fortier and then forgotten all about him.
Q: So in other words, he never confessed to casing the building with McVeigh.
A: The media has completely exaggerated it. Fortier and McVeigh were driving through OKC on the way to Kansas and they passed by the federal building. Something like that.
Q: And the media stretched that.
A: Something like that.
Q: And the FBI spent so much time pressuring Fortier to link McVeigh to the bombing because they had nothing better.
A: They had nothing better.
Q: But you feel McVeigh is linked to the bombing.
A: Yes, I do. But the FBI relied on a man, Fortier, who really couldn't provide anything important to them. You need to remember that. That's important. There's more to this." *End*
Why did Terry Nichols turn himself in to police and give detailed statements to the FBI without an attorney present? He sees his name out on the television set and goes in to set the record straight. If you were responsible for this heinous crime, would you hang around your farm house and then go turn yourself in for questioning? I guess if you're really dumb.
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