Leonard Spencer 9/11 is the greatest crime in American history Fri Jan 30 21:38:19 2004 64.140.158.68 9/11 is the greatest crime in American history Great list of Links!! http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc.htm The Incredible 9-11 Evidence We've All been Overlooking by Leonard Spencer http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa11.htm http://thewebfairy.com/911 http://911hoax.com http://physics911.org/net/ http://www.911review.org/index.shtml http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/surviving.html http://serendipity.ptpi.net/wtc.htm http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm http://www.oilempire.us/911.html http://globalfreepress.com/ http://www.911-strike.com/ http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html http://www.standdown.net/ http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/ http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/ http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/ http://www.apfn.org/apfn/wtc.htm http://questionsquestions.net/topics/archive/911archive.html http://www.911truth.org/ http://www.septembereleventh.org http://www.unansweredquestions.org/ http://www.public-action.com/ http://www.questionsquestions.net/ http://www.deceptiondollar.com/Inquiry911.htm http://911hoax.com/ http://www.911forthetruth.com/ http://911skeptics.blogspot.com/ http://www.geocities.com/dirtyharriet0/911.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/80 http://911index.batcave.net/911.html http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/pentagon http://www.911pi.com http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html http://www.cooperativeresearch.org http://www.deceptiondollar.com http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm http://www.falloutshelternews.com/9_11_ODDITIES.html http://www.feralnews.com http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/ http://www.globalresearch.ca http://www.lihop.net http://www.madcowprod.com http://www.onlinejournal.com http://perso.wanadoo.fr/ericbart http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html http://www.public-action.com http://www.rise4news.net http://www.sigacanada.com http://xymphora.blogspot.com http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=22004 http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=22461 http://www.rense.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com http://www.apfn.org http://www.apfn.net 9/11 is the greatest crime in American history, and our government has lied to us about it. Sincere thanks to all those who realize this and are working to correct the problem, and special thanks to you and Rosalie. Best wishes, John Kaminski http://www.johnkaminski.com/ http://www.rudemacedon.ca/kaminski/kam-index.html Gerard Holmgren wrote: John,Five days ago, I wrote to you, requesting that you provide details of the "deliberate disinfo" on webfairy's site.In case you didn't receive, or forgot about my previous request, this is what I wrote (typos corrected) on Jan 25 "John, I happened to see a post of your on AFPN where you referred to the "deliberate disinformation" on webfairy's site. Since this is a serious and specific charge, could you please clarify for me the specific piece(s) to which you refer, and outline your reasons for concluding with such certainty that it is "deliberate disinformation" rather than simply something with which you disagree or regard as poorly reasoned or researched? "I would like an answer, thanks.==================-------- Original Message --------Subject: RE John Kaminski's ApologyDate: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:16:14 -0600From: The Webfairy To: Gerard Holmgren , Nico Haupt , "Jeffrey G. Strahl" ,There was still a piece of misinformation about me in John Kaminski's apology.I will forward him a copy of my original message so he can remember what my beef was about. I hope he will make a more reasoned response.I think the idea of using RICO laws against the Bush Crime Family and the rest of the Frameup On Humanity is an excellent idea.I am very grateful that John Kaminski can be so forthright about his misjudgement of my site.It is the end of the month, and I have about 35 gigs of bandwidth left over, so I urge everyone to visit http://thewebfairy.com/911 and become familiar with the video evidence of the 911 events.I have faced numerous attempts to belittle or discredit my work.All have fallen short.I should expect that Kaminski's negative opinion of me and my site was because of the constant barrage of negativity and debunkerism that has dogged me since I first discovered the first hit video didn't have a plane in it.The first hit video still doesn't have a plane in it.There's still just a divebombing object that's too small to be a plane even if planes could divebomb like that. http://thewebfairy.com/911/noplane I didn't take the plane out, the plane is not hiding between frames, the pixels didn't fall off.I was grateful when Gerard Holmgren was able to provide a reasonable explanation for why Flight 11 missed it's photo-opportunity. http://thewebfairy.com/911/noplane/holmgren.htm Video evidence is acceptable in a court of law.Enlargement and slow motion are both accepted techniques.My work is reproducable, and would be even more compelling if redone from original footage which ought to be supoena'ed at the first opportunity.Numerous theories currently making the rounds contradict the video evidence.This is not a safe posture if one imagines that some day we can use the assembled evidence of treachery and calummny in a court of law.It would be just lovely to introduce some of this evidence on a radio show.John Kaminski is much more eloquent than I am, so I hope he will look over the various strangenesses I offer as flash video clips, so he can offer his own descriptions and wonderments.As a MUST SEE I recommend http://thewebfairy.com/911/glow/glow.movIt is quicktime format, a full screen size enlargement of Nuclear Glow and a standing steel spire of debris from the core turning to dust and blowing away. This happened on live television.The Strange Collapse of the "Spire" http://www.plaguepuppy.net/The%20Strange%20Collapse%20of%20the%20Spire.htm A Clearer View of the Spire's Demise http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/New_Spire/ Unfortunately it is my firmly betcha best guess that there will be a "Terror Attack" during the Super Bowl. It would be really cool if Tom Valentine's show went on regardless, and we could demonstrate television's shameless manipulation of events as it was happening. The SuperBowl seems like an excellent opportunity to strike at the symbolic heart of America, and leave everyone watching everywhere with the sense of their own vulnerability. Every football fan would be a "victim by proxy" and this would shoot up the military enlistment rate on behalf of striking against whatever patsy gets chosen.This is why I find it of crucial importance to undermine the false notion of terrorists "Out There" and point the blame instead at those who are itching to put us under martial law.The No-Plane in the first hit video is a vivid example both of how television manipulated us into "seeing the plane" and it stands as proof that this was an action of the secret government, not hijackers unconnected to the international intelligence apparatus I'd refer to as the Secret Government.Blaming airplanes gave them excuse to trail us, track usand restrict our right to travel. I made enlarged slow motion flash of five different versions of the first hit footage.My work has been greeted so far with profound silence. I would like to see that change.People need to be talking about this, and noticing how their perceptions can be warped by repetitive newsbunny voices telling them what to see.This is a slideshow of all the frames in the Taner version of the first hit: http://thewebfairy.com/911/slideshow/taner Once the newsbunny voice is gone, and the (contrived) and the speed is gone, the plane is gone too.I think this is the singularly most important piece of evidence I have to offer. http://thewebfairy.com/911/noplane ==========================================-----Original Message-----From: John Kaminski skylax@comcast.net To: Gerard Holmgren holmgren@nettrade.com.au Date: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:05Subject: Re: Kaminski apologizes to the WebfairyHi Gerard, Your points are well taken. And possibly an unforeseen opportunity has arisen. As soon as I sent out that note, Tom Valentine of Radio Free America called me and I'm going to be on his show right after the Super Bowl this Sunday (10 p.m. EST). I'll be sending out a separate notice about this, but I wanted to alert you that I'm going to invite Rosalie to call and talk about her research. Maybe what she says will penetrate my thick skull this time. The call-in number is 800-259-9231. Listen on shortwave 5.745 or on the Internet through the Genesis Communications Network (yes, the home of Joyce Riley). Thanks again for the valuable perspective. Best wishes, John K. Gerard Holmgren wrote: Spoken like a true gentleman ! This is a relief to me, as I was fearing that had overestimated your integrity, but this apology demonstrates that not to be the case. I understand where you're coming from in suggesting that we limit our energies to those which can bring the criminals to justice, but I disagree with the strategy - for two reasons. 1) If they have technology such as holograms, we need to know about it. For example, until recently I was unaware of the technology enabling live video manipulation. http://www.imakenews.com/techreview/e_article000005211.cf m (Thanks to webfairy for digging that one up too) This is such a critical piece of info that people must know about it. More of this kind of thing is likely to emerge as we keep digging. 2) Unless we understand as much as possible about how the operation was conducted, we minimize our chances of bringing the crimes to justice. For example, the airforce stand-down. Many people have argued that we should restrict our efforts to this. Some people have suggested this in good faith but mistaken judgement. Others, I believe, have deliberately pushed it to distract from the more important evidence. Because it now seems clear that there was no airforce stand down. This is not impugn those who did that research and distributed it. It was good work, in that it peeled back the first layer and demonstrated that the official story was impossible to believe. But although it still makes an excellent grass roots "9/11 for beginners", no kind of official indictment will ever come out of it. Good research depends upon 3 factors. 1) the founding assumptions. 2) The facts which are gathered in the context of 1), and 3) The argument which is built from those facts. The airforce stand down research was stunning in respect of 2) and 3), but lacking in 1). It uncritically assumed that we were told the truth about which planes were hijacked when and where. As such it demonstrates to people that *if* that assumption was correct, then one can only deduce that the airforce was stood down. This is a very useful observation, as it provides a common sense, grass roots argument for govt complicity, but the hunt for proof of the stand down in a legal or documented sense will ultimately prove futile - because it didn't happen. It didn't need to, because there weren't any hijacked planes. So you can see why the disinfo agents are keen to push this line, while hysterically railing against all else. I continue to distribute the airforce research at a grass roots level, because its a great way of starting people on the journey. What I verhemently reject is the notion that it's "enough". I think you are with me on this, because otherwise you would not have shown such interest in the pentagon strike and the WTC demolition. So perhaps you can see how much more we could still be missing, and the dangers of now closing our eyes and saying " *now* we have enough."We could still be barking up some wrong trees. The pentagon strike and the WTC demolition used to be the cutting edge. We were considered the "loony fringe" of the 9/11 truth movement. Now, its become pretty much passe. This is partly because of the way we have persisted against the denial, but its also due to more cutting edge stuff coming on stream. If nothing else, the no-planes evidence has taken the heat off the pentagon and WTC evidence. Knowing the full truth empowers us. As soon as we become afraid to speak what we know to be true, then we are compromised. There is of course, a time and place for everything, and there are times when I stick to more conservative evidence, until I've worked out the mentality of my audience. But thats different from having a blanket fear of one particular issue. Before long, the no planes evidence will be as accepted as the WTC demolition. Thanks again for your honesty. -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:49 Subject: Kaminski apologizes to the Webfairy Kaminski apologizes for unfair characterization of The Webfairy Re: http://www.thewebfairy.com/ To: Gerard Holmgren From: John Kaminski CC: Rosalie Grable and friends Hi Gerard, I most humbly apologize for my hasty and inaccurate remarks. The Webfairy is certainly the most stunning, thought-provoking and enigmatic of all the 9/11 sites (with which I am familiar). It poses questions and presents evidence with which most people are not familiar. (the rest snipped, but thank you) The Left establishment's attack on 9/11 skeptics — RESEARCHER, Fri Jan 30 22:18 Vee Ver Jus Followink Orders — Paul Walker, Fri Jan 30 22:11 New page on 911review.org - Arar,Maher — Editor 911review.org, Sat Jan 31 02:09 Secret 9-11 Tapes Outs Bush Regime — White Knights, Sat Jan 31 02:16
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