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What is a Troll?
Tue Oct 18, 2005 19:03
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What is a Troll?
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in
sowing discord on the Internet.
He tries to starts arguments, and upsets people.
Trolls see internet communications as
convenient venues for their bizarre game.
They are actually afflicted with a form a sadism;
in that, they take joy in hurting people.
Many trolls are bigots.
Bigotry is a good cover for sadism.
Trolls feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict.
Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause,
the greater their joy.
For the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows
trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism
(constructive or otherwise).
The troll's usual reaction to a response will be amazingly similar to the adolescent phrase:
"I know you are, but what am I?"
You cannot negotiate with them.
You cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion.
You cannot reason with them.
They cannot be made to feel remorse.
You can say:
"Why don't you take your silly bickering to the chat room,
and stop filling up everyone's mail box with drivel?"
BUT THEY NEVER WILL.
The reason that the trolls refuse to take their silly bickering
to the chat room is that then everyone would see how few people are
interested in what they have to say,
by the fact that NO ONE would go with them to the chat room.
NO ONE, BUT THE TROLLS, WOULD BE THERE!
ALSO; then they would not be filling up everyone's mail box, with
drivel;
which is their real goal.
Trolls do not feel they are bound by the
rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think,
"Surely there is something I can write that will change them."
But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your
reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins.
When you insult a troll, he wins.
When you scream at a troll, he wins.
The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.
Taking out the trash
There is a scenario;
which repeats itself continuously on the internet egroups.
A group; which was originally formed for a specific purpose,
loses it moderator, and is taken over by trolls.
The trolls bully the normal members,
and drive many of them out,
with insults and personal attacks.
You could put the troll into your "blocked sender" list,
but then you would not know what he is saying about you.
If the normal members leave then they have turned the list OVER to the trolls.
There is a simple solution:
The list decides on one "Designated Driver for the garbage truck".
The "garbage truck" is for
hauling away the trash, from list trolls.
All but ONE member, of the list, puts the troll into their "blocked sender" list.
The "Designated Driver" for the garbage truck
reads the troll's garbage,
and notifies the list, or notifies any individual members PRIVATELY,
of anything that might interest them.
Then the rest of the list can operate at peace.
No one is worried about what the troll in writing about them,
AFTER they put him into the blocked sender list..
No one EVER responds to the troll's message.
If you think that someone might have read the troll's insults and slander,
make a general post, that does not mention the troll,
but addresses his slander.
This should NEVER be posted as a reply.
Replying TO HIM will cause those who have put him into their blocked sender list,
to have to see his message.
OF COURSE, the list trolls can create new ID's,
that are not blocked, as long as they like,
but that is fine.
It only takes one click,
with the mouse,
to put the new ID in "blocked sender" also.
The troll will get ONE POST PER ID.
IF YOU REPORT THE TROLL, eventually he will lose each of those ID's.
Trolls are a way of destroying freedom of speech
Invasive tactics for Information Warfare on the Internet
visit:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/infowarDistraction.html
excerpt:
Information techniques
Distraction with irrelevant posts. What better example than the recent porn posts? Discussion is lost in the noise. (In this case, the posts may make the group "appealing" to a new audience, so a small silver lining is that new people can be informed about mind control.)
Distraction by voluminous postings with no information by blowhards and empty name-callers. (Can be hard to distinguish from genuine blowhards.) People who wallow in the mud do not need to outdebate you; they only need to drag you down there with them. Kill files can help if your newsreader has them.
Planting of provocateurs (and sleeper agents, etc.). These people will vary from the posters who suddenly show up one day under an alias attacking regular posters, to people who seem like regular posters themselves. They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs are basically free, and one person can have many.) As cointelpro showed, there is little that is more poisonous to an organization than to have it tear itself apart from the inside with accusations of moles. (The CIA knows all about this from its own mole hunts.) Moles love to accuse others of being moles; then again, there are real moles. You have to judge for yourself who to listen to or what to believe.
What is a Troll?
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in
sowing discord on the Internet.
He tries to starts arguments, and upsets people.
Trolls see internet communications as
convenient venues for their bizarre game.
They are actually afflicted with a form a sadism;
in that, they take joy in hurting people.
Many trolls are bigots.
Bigotry is a good cover for sadism.
Trolls feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict.
Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause,
the greater their joy.
For the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows
trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism
(constructive or otherwise).
The troll's usual reaction to a response will be amazingly similar to the adolescent phrase:
"I know you are, but what am I?"
You cannot negotiate with them.
You cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion.
You cannot reason with them.
They cannot be made to feel remorse.
You can say:
"Why don't you take your silly bickering to the chat room,
and stop filling up everyone's mail box with drivel?"
BUT THEY NEVER WILL.
The reason that the trolls refuse to take their silly bickering
to the chat room is that then everyone would see how few people are
interested in what they have to say,
by the fact that NO ONE would go with them to the chat room.
NO ONE, BUT THE TROLLS, WOULD BE THERE!
ALSO; then they would not be filling up everyone's mail box, with
drivel;
which is their real goal.
Trolls do not feel they are bound by the
rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think,
"Surely there is something I can write that will change them."
But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your
reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins.
When you insult a troll, he wins.
When you scream at a troll, he wins.
The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.
Taking out the trash
There is a scenario;
which repeats itself continuously on the internet egroups.
A group; which was originally formed for a specific purpose,
loses it moderator, and is taken over by trolls.
The trolls bully the normal members,
and drive many of them out,
with insults and personal attacks.
You could put the troll into your "blocked sender" list,
but then you would not know what he is saying about you.
If the normal members leave then they have turned the list OVER to the trolls.
There is a simple solution:
The list decides on one "Designated Driver for the garbage truck".
The "garbage truck" is for
hauling away the trash, from list trolls.
All but ONE member, of the list, puts the troll into their "blocked sender" list.
The "Designated Driver" for the garbage truck
reads the troll's garbage,
and notifies the list, or notifies any individual members PRIVATELY,
of anything that might interest them.
Then the rest of the list can operate at peace.
No one is worried about what the troll in writing about them,
AFTER they put him into the blocked sender list..
No one EVER responds to the troll's message.
If you think that someone might have read the troll's insults and slander,
make a general post, that does not mention the troll,
but addresses his slander.
This should NEVER be posted as a reply.
Replying TO HIM will cause those who have put him into their blocked sender list,
to have to see his message.
OF COURSE, the list trolls can create new ID's,
that are not blocked, as long as they like,
but that is fine.
It only takes one click,
with the mouse,
to put the new ID in "blocked sender" also.
The troll will get ONE POST PER ID.
IF YOU REPORT THE TROLL, eventually he will lose each of those ID's.
Trolls are a way of destroying freedom of speech
Invasive tactics for Information Warfare on the Internet
visit:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/infowarDistraction.html
excerpt:
Information techniques
Distraction with irrelevant posts. What better example than the recent porn posts? Discussion is lost in the noise. (In this case, the posts may make the group "appealing" to a new audience, so a small silver lining is that new people can be informed about mind control.)
Distraction by voluminous postings with no information by blowhards and empty name-callers. (Can be hard to distinguish from genuine blowhards.) People who wallow in the mud do not need to outdebate you; they only need to drag you down there with them. Kill files can help if your newsreader has them.
Planting of provocateurs (and sleeper agents, etc.). These people will vary from the posters who suddenly show up one day under an alias attacking regular posters, to people who seem like regular posters themselves. They may work in teams, supporting each other and giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs are basically free, and one person can have many.) As cointelpro showed, there is little that is more poisonous to an organization than to have it tear itself apart from the inside with accusations of moles. (The CIA knows all about this from its own mole hunts.) Moles love to accuse others of being moles; then again, there are real moles. You have to judge for yourself who to listen to or what to believe.
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