OKC BOMBING....Is Tim in Hell
or on Paradise Island?
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Is Tim in Hell or on Paradise Island?
By Pat Shannan
Published August 2001
http://www.mediabypass.com/article.asp?id=2001080001
Recently, Stan Solomon had me on his Indianapolis talk show along with Clay Douglas. Clay is our friendly competitor and stays on top of the current issues as well as anyone. We seldom disagree on anything, but during the dual interview on the Solomon Show, the day after Tim McVeigh's alleged execution, Clay made the remark that "Tim is now probably down in Argentina drinking rum and enjoying the beach, with plastic surgery and a new I.D."
I countered with something about that I had seen all that conspiracy paranoia on the internet and did not believe it. After all, Tim was far better off to "them" dead than alive. Dead men tell no tales. Besides, Tim McVeigh's face may be more recognizable these days than Tiger Woods', and it would take a modern day Chester Gould (remember him?) wigged-out on LSD to distort Tim's mug enough to not be recognizable in public.
However, on an airplane the next day, I did a little thinking, and a few days later a little research and found enough to at least make me wonder: Is Tim McVeigh really dead?
I obtained a copy of Tim McVeigh's death certificate, upon which it says under Item 11, Decedent's Usual Occupation: "Soldier," and under Item 12, Kind of Business: "U. S. Army." This is dated June 11, 2001, some nine years after Tim reportedly separated from military service. Was this his current occupation in 2001? (If not, how simple would it have been to pencil in: Unemployed?) If so, it brings all sorts of speculation to the surface, and, if really a fact, answers a whole Ryder truck full of questions.
Let us explore a new scenario; not that of Tim being an unwitting participant and only on the fringes, as we have always acknowledged; but that of a willing participant, a government agent, from day one, which might even precede the Waco incident and even account for his presence there. And this would not only explain his foolhardy sprint up I-35 at 85mph in his old Mercury with no license plates, immediately following the blast(s), but his failure to shoot Trooper Charlie Hangar to avoid being arrested. After all, sooner or later, it would have to have been Tim's job to get arrested.
No, it doesn't change any facts. The building was blown from the inside, and no one can ever refute that certainty with any honest evidence or explanation. Since General Ben Partin came on the scene in May of '95, no one has even tried to do so with any vigor.
And it would immediately explain the government's cover-up of everything: Cary Gagan's torpedoed multi-attempts to expose the "Middle East Connection" and the investigative reporting of the same by KFOR-TV's Jayna Davis; Tim's ability to travel the country with no visible means of support; the claming-up of Governor Frank Keating, after he announced to the world his knowledge of the "unexploded bombs found at the scene;" the FBI's refusal to acknowledge the existence of any perpetrators who did not fit the description of McVeigh and Nichols; "defense" attorney Stephen Jones's duplicity with prosecutors in allowing the expedited demolition of the Murrah Building shell only 34 days after the incident, without detailed examination; the dismal defense performance at trial by Jones and the continual suppression of evidence by Judge Matsch; and the failure of the FBI to ever produce the surveillance tapes commandeered from across the street, from cameras focused on the front of the Murrah Building. Yes, Tim as a hired gun would make the whole !@#$% cover-up more understandable.
Most of all, it would explain Tim's alleged confession of taking the rap and being solely responsible; "the sole architect" of the bombing, the facts of which we know to be impossible, considering the evidence.
After a week of pondering, it was not so absurd anymore. As stated here before, no one loves a good conspiracy more than I, but the bit about faking Tim's death and sending him away with a new I.D. was more than even I could swallow - at first.
But then there was the on-going, seemingly never-ending snow job by the media. Everywhere we looked - TV, newspapers, magazines - were the Buffalo newsmen touting their new fairytale about McVeigh's alleged confession. They claimed to have talked with the death-row inmate for 75 hours via telephone but said they could not produce the tapes because they "had promised not to." Dubious evidence, indeed.
Nancy Grace of Court TV said on the day of the "execution" that a decoy hearse was used and "It's a good thing because those militia kooks might want to steal the body!" How ridiculous can one get? As hard as they tried, the liberal media were never able to connect McVeigh to any militia movement, but the spin was in. The ever-sensational Geraldo, at every opportunity with an interview with anybody on the subject, delighted in saying time and again that McVeigh was a "monster" and a "scumbag." Overkill.
Speaking of the "wacky conspiracy theorists," Frank Keating said in an interview with Court TV's Catherine Crier, "We can never prove them right and have a system of law that survives." Hmmm. Who was it who said that if you tell a lie big enough, anybody will believe it?
Okay, if it is a lie and Tim's execution was a fake, then how did they do it? Craig Roberts is an investigative reporter and a former cop with all sorts of sordid experience in his background, including that of being a sniper in Vietnam. He is not buying the government story, either. He offers cogent food for thought on how the sham could have been pulled off.
A few days before the proposed execution date Roberts said, "What I tell people when they ask about McVeigh "confessing" [that he was the lone bomber] is that the media hacks don't understand that McVeigh is playing "The Good Soldier." He thinks he is expected to take the blame by himself and cover for his cohorts since he is totally compromised. It is exactly the same as if he was on a patrol behind enemy lines and got captured. He would tell his captors that he was alone, lost and no one else was out there so his buddies could get away. That's what is happening here. McVeigh is still trying to be the "good soldier" hero to his mates. He can only hope that they can do something to interfere with the execution or to engineer something to reduce his sentence (such as this timely release of FBI documents after a change in administration). Few people who have never been in the military would understand the above. Most who have been in the military, especially combat veterans, would know exactly what is going on here."
A few days after the "execution," Roberts was our radio guest on "Pat Shannan's Investigative Reports" and gave us more benefit of his military experience.
Okay, let's just imagine for a moment that the "fix" was in.
1. McVeigh, being part of some covert action team of soldiers or mercenaries (the Mission Impossible scenario types), has a guarantee that if he is caught, they will not help him until he goes through the judicial system and is out of the spotlight. They will place a large amount of money in an offshore account under a bogus name.
2. Time passes and McVeigh is no longer on the front page. He is instructed to take all the blame, leaving "others unknown" out of it. He does this by feeding information to two gullible reporters who write a book full of errors that basically puts the issue to rest in the minds of the general population of ostriches. [This is the common M.O. The fairytale by Michel and Herbeck, whose title we refuse to publicize, was likely ordered and delineated by the CIA. From the same venue a few years ago came Case Closed by Gerald Posner. While ignoring all the evidence to the contrary, he and it attempted to give credence to the Warren Commission's indictment of Lee Oswald. It was another diversion straight out of the CIA cookbook. Whether delusional or by design, the efforts of all these authors are way out in left field.]
3. McVeigh then demands his execution date be set--since he knows he isn't going to be executed, it will actually be his release date, assuming he is not double-crossed.
4. The stage is set for a show. Witnesses will have to be convinced that he is dead. This is easy to accomplish if the actors are convincing in their roles in the death chamber.
5. Special chemicals are mixed "in some other city" (perhaps Langley, Va.?). These are capable of feigning death by slowing the heartbeat and respiration to the point that observers think Tim is dead...especially when "someone" announces it from inside the room, and then they cover him with a sheet or close the curtains. Such chemicals exist. Currare' is one that can be used if mixed with other chemicals. Others can be obtained from the Caribbean from voodoo priests who use the ground leaves of certain plants to create "Zombies." Zombies are only drugged people who appear to die to the observers, then come back from the dead later. They have a pale to their skin and glazed eyes appearing like spooks, which is a continuing drugged state. The priests keep them drugged when they feed them and use them to show power--and as slave workers. (A program on this subject was done on one of the major satellite network educational channels recently.)
6. The executioner is brought in from somewhere else, and is anonymous, "for his own protection." (Terre Haute is supposed to have a "state of the art" execution chamber. Why do they need to bring in the chemicals from elsewhere?)
7. The chemicals are injected and McVeigh goes into a deep sleep, his heart rate and breathing decelerate to what appears to be a halt. He is pronounced dead by someone in on the plan, and the visual play ends. The curtains close and his "body" is wheeled out to a waiting hearse.
8. He is driven to a funeral home where he is allegedly cremated, as a judge has already ordered "no autopsy." Therefore no autopsy photos will ever surface. This also ensures that there is no body to exhume later to make sure Tim is really dead, should questions arise.
9. An urn of ashes and a death certificate are produced and the story ends here.
10. Or does it? The key players, "in the know" and paid off handsomely, would have to be the executioner, whoever pronounced him dead, and someone at the funeral home who does the cremation. (This has more than one precedent - the JFK autopsy, for instance.) Also, since there were two hearses, or more, it might be possible to time this execution with a body that is similar to McVeigh's which is delivered to the funeral home. If still sealed in a box or cardboard coffin, surrounded by "federal agents," even the funeral home personnel would be convinced and not need to become part of the act (thereby eliminating one or more from "need to know status). So would the county coroner who signed the Death Certificate as they would have a real corpse to burn, leaving no dental ID or fingerprints to check later. Also the coroner doesn't check dental records or fingerprints of a corpse that is already identified in the normal course of duties. The ashes are to be scattered "in a secret place.
McVeigh, transported away in one of the ambulances driven by one of the operators wakes up later in a safe house. He is transported at night, by air, to South America or the Orient where he undergoes facial surgery and gets a new ID. His money is waiting and he's retired or saved for future missions.
And, finally, there is the one remaining scenario: Tim did all of the above, came to his agreement with his controllers to take the rap in exchange for a bundle of money and a new life; but true to form, the deceiving dogs shoot him with the real juice and kill him anyway. (We are sure you thought of that!) However, Mr. Roberts counters with more persuasive input:
"Why don't they just get rid of him? After all, he's a live witness to the ID of others involved and can tell what really happened in OKC at any time. It's simple. The rest of the team has the same guarantee as McVeigh, and they will be watching to see if he is taken care of as promised. Their loyalty is now assured for future operations. Of course, there is nothing to stop the upper echelon from getting rid of the whole team as they are actually expendable, unless they are too valuable due to time spent recruiting and training them. McVeigh would serve as an example that their Manchurian Candidate system works, and the other operators are not a threat to the conspirators."
So it is not so "way out" as it may appear on the surface. The government has pulled it off before. It has long been speculated that John Wilkes Booth did not die in that burning barn in 1865. Now we can prove it. In our research in recent years, we came across a gem - a book written by Booth's granddaughter in 1937, who as a young child was kept in the dark by her mother and most family members about Booth's escape. But the older she got, the more she became so intrigued that she pursued the case during her whole adult life and sorted out the facts. In her twilight years, she produced the irrefutable evidence that Booth survived to an old age. We shall pursue the details soon in an upcoming addition to our continuing series of "Assassinations and Cover-up."
No, we are not convinced that Tim is still alive, but we also have no way of knowing that he is really dead. And you don't either.
For more on OKC and other cover-ups Go To
http://www.patshannan.com/
Other Columns by Pat Shannan
================================
Execution Eye Witness - Susan Carlson, Media Witness: 4 min. 27 sec. "he appeared to be still breathing or what appeared to be shallow breathing, even after being pronounced dead and his eyes remained open".
Windows Media Player) - See and hear this first. Execution Eye Witness
By Pat Shannan
Published August 2001
http://www.mediabypass.com/article.asp?id=2001080001
Recently, Stan Solomon had me on his Indianapolis talk show along with Clay Douglas. Clay is our friendly competitor and stays on top of the current issues as well as anyone. We seldom disagree on anything, but during the dual interview on the Solomon Show, the day after Tim McVeigh's alleged execution, Clay made the remark that "Tim is now probably down in Argentina drinking rum and enjoying the beach, with plastic surgery and a new I.D."
I countered with something about that I had seen all that conspiracy paranoia on the internet and did not believe it. After all, Tim was far better off to "them" dead than alive. Dead men tell no tales. Besides, Tim McVeigh's face may be more recognizable these days than Tiger Woods', and it would take a modern day Chester Gould (remember him?) wigged-out on LSD to distort Tim's mug enough to not be recognizable in public.
However, on an airplane the next day, I did a little thinking, and a few days later a little research and found enough to at least make me wonder: Is Tim McVeigh really dead?
I obtained a copy of Tim McVeigh's death certificate, upon which it says under Item 11, Decedent's Usual Occupation: "Soldier," and under Item 12, Kind of Business: "U. S. Army." This is dated June 11, 2001, some nine years after Tim reportedly separated from military service. Was this his current occupation in 2001? (If not, how simple would it have been to pencil in: Unemployed?) If so, it brings all sorts of speculation to the surface, and, if really a fact, answers a whole Ryder truck full of questions.
Let us explore a new scenario; not that of Tim being an unwitting participant and only on the fringes, as we have always acknowledged; but that of a willing participant, a government agent, from day one, which might even precede the Waco incident and even account for his presence there. And this would not only explain his foolhardy sprint up I-35 at 85mph in his old Mercury with no license plates, immediately following the blast(s), but his failure to shoot Trooper Charlie Hangar to avoid being arrested. After all, sooner or later, it would have to have been Tim's job to get arrested.
No, it doesn't change any facts. The building was blown from the inside, and no one can ever refute that certainty with any honest evidence or explanation. Since General Ben Partin came on the scene in May of '95, no one has even tried to do so with any vigor.
And it would immediately explain the government's cover-up of everything: Cary Gagan's torpedoed multi-attempts to expose the "Middle East Connection" and the investigative reporting of the same by KFOR-TV's Jayna Davis; Tim's ability to travel the country with no visible means of support; the claming-up of Governor Frank Keating, after he announced to the world his knowledge of the "unexploded bombs found at the scene;" the FBI's refusal to acknowledge the existence of any perpetrators who did not fit the description of McVeigh and Nichols; "defense" attorney Stephen Jones's duplicity with prosecutors in allowing the expedited demolition of the Murrah Building shell only 34 days after the incident, without detailed examination; the dismal defense performance at trial by Jones and the continual suppression of evidence by Judge Matsch; and the failure of the FBI to ever produce the surveillance tapes commandeered from across the street, from cameras focused on the front of the Murrah Building. Yes, Tim as a hired gun would make the whole !@#$% cover-up more understandable.
Most of all, it would explain Tim's alleged confession of taking the rap and being solely responsible; "the sole architect" of the bombing, the facts of which we know to be impossible, considering the evidence.
After a week of pondering, it was not so absurd anymore. As stated here before, no one loves a good conspiracy more than I, but the bit about faking Tim's death and sending him away with a new I.D. was more than even I could swallow - at first.
But then there was the on-going, seemingly never-ending snow job by the media. Everywhere we looked - TV, newspapers, magazines - were the Buffalo newsmen touting their new fairytale about McVeigh's alleged confession. They claimed to have talked with the death-row inmate for 75 hours via telephone but said they could not produce the tapes because they "had promised not to." Dubious evidence, indeed.
Nancy Grace of Court TV said on the day of the "execution" that a decoy hearse was used and "It's a good thing because those militia kooks might want to steal the body!" How ridiculous can one get? As hard as they tried, the liberal media were never able to connect McVeigh to any militia movement, but the spin was in. The ever-sensational Geraldo, at every opportunity with an interview with anybody on the subject, delighted in saying time and again that McVeigh was a "monster" and a "scumbag." Overkill.
Speaking of the "wacky conspiracy theorists," Frank Keating said in an interview with Court TV's Catherine Crier, "We can never prove them right and have a system of law that survives." Hmmm. Who was it who said that if you tell a lie big enough, anybody will believe it?
Okay, if it is a lie and Tim's execution was a fake, then how did they do it? Craig Roberts is an investigative reporter and a former cop with all sorts of sordid experience in his background, including that of being a sniper in Vietnam. He is not buying the government story, either. He offers cogent food for thought on how the sham could have been pulled off.
A few days before the proposed execution date Roberts said, "What I tell people when they ask about McVeigh "confessing" [that he was the lone bomber] is that the media hacks don't understand that McVeigh is playing "The Good Soldier." He thinks he is expected to take the blame by himself and cover for his cohorts since he is totally compromised. It is exactly the same as if he was on a patrol behind enemy lines and got captured. He would tell his captors that he was alone, lost and no one else was out there so his buddies could get away. That's what is happening here. McVeigh is still trying to be the "good soldier" hero to his mates. He can only hope that they can do something to interfere with the execution or to engineer something to reduce his sentence (such as this timely release of FBI documents after a change in administration). Few people who have never been in the military would understand the above. Most who have been in the military, especially combat veterans, would know exactly what is going on here."
A few days after the "execution," Roberts was our radio guest on "Pat Shannan's Investigative Reports" and gave us more benefit of his military experience.
Okay, let's just imagine for a moment that the "fix" was in.
1. McVeigh, being part of some covert action team of soldiers or mercenaries (the Mission Impossible scenario types), has a guarantee that if he is caught, they will not help him until he goes through the judicial system and is out of the spotlight. They will place a large amount of money in an offshore account under a bogus name.
2. Time passes and McVeigh is no longer on the front page. He is instructed to take all the blame, leaving "others unknown" out of it. He does this by feeding information to two gullible reporters who write a book full of errors that basically puts the issue to rest in the minds of the general population of ostriches. [This is the common M.O. The fairytale by Michel and Herbeck, whose title we refuse to publicize, was likely ordered and delineated by the CIA. From the same venue a few years ago came Case Closed by Gerald Posner. While ignoring all the evidence to the contrary, he and it attempted to give credence to the Warren Commission's indictment of Lee Oswald. It was another diversion straight out of the CIA cookbook. Whether delusional or by design, the efforts of all these authors are way out in left field.]
3. McVeigh then demands his execution date be set--since he knows he isn't going to be executed, it will actually be his release date, assuming he is not double-crossed.
4. The stage is set for a show. Witnesses will have to be convinced that he is dead. This is easy to accomplish if the actors are convincing in their roles in the death chamber.
5. Special chemicals are mixed "in some other city" (perhaps Langley, Va.?). These are capable of feigning death by slowing the heartbeat and respiration to the point that observers think Tim is dead...especially when "someone" announces it from inside the room, and then they cover him with a sheet or close the curtains. Such chemicals exist. Currare' is one that can be used if mixed with other chemicals. Others can be obtained from the Caribbean from voodoo priests who use the ground leaves of certain plants to create "Zombies." Zombies are only drugged people who appear to die to the observers, then come back from the dead later. They have a pale to their skin and glazed eyes appearing like spooks, which is a continuing drugged state. The priests keep them drugged when they feed them and use them to show power--and as slave workers. (A program on this subject was done on one of the major satellite network educational channels recently.)
6. The executioner is brought in from somewhere else, and is anonymous, "for his own protection." (Terre Haute is supposed to have a "state of the art" execution chamber. Why do they need to bring in the chemicals from elsewhere?)
7. The chemicals are injected and McVeigh goes into a deep sleep, his heart rate and breathing decelerate to what appears to be a halt. He is pronounced dead by someone in on the plan, and the visual play ends. The curtains close and his "body" is wheeled out to a waiting hearse.
8. He is driven to a funeral home where he is allegedly cremated, as a judge has already ordered "no autopsy." Therefore no autopsy photos will ever surface. This also ensures that there is no body to exhume later to make sure Tim is really dead, should questions arise.
9. An urn of ashes and a death certificate are produced and the story ends here.
10. Or does it? The key players, "in the know" and paid off handsomely, would have to be the executioner, whoever pronounced him dead, and someone at the funeral home who does the cremation. (This has more than one precedent - the JFK autopsy, for instance.) Also, since there were two hearses, or more, it might be possible to time this execution with a body that is similar to McVeigh's which is delivered to the funeral home. If still sealed in a box or cardboard coffin, surrounded by "federal agents," even the funeral home personnel would be convinced and not need to become part of the act (thereby eliminating one or more from "need to know status). So would the county coroner who signed the Death Certificate as they would have a real corpse to burn, leaving no dental ID or fingerprints to check later. Also the coroner doesn't check dental records or fingerprints of a corpse that is already identified in the normal course of duties. The ashes are to be scattered "in a secret place.
McVeigh, transported away in one of the ambulances driven by one of the operators wakes up later in a safe house. He is transported at night, by air, to South America or the Orient where he undergoes facial surgery and gets a new ID. His money is waiting and he's retired or saved for future missions.
And, finally, there is the one remaining scenario: Tim did all of the above, came to his agreement with his controllers to take the rap in exchange for a bundle of money and a new life; but true to form, the deceiving dogs shoot him with the real juice and kill him anyway. (We are sure you thought of that!) However, Mr. Roberts counters with more persuasive input:
"Why don't they just get rid of him? After all, he's a live witness to the ID of others involved and can tell what really happened in OKC at any time. It's simple. The rest of the team has the same guarantee as McVeigh, and they will be watching to see if he is taken care of as promised. Their loyalty is now assured for future operations. Of course, there is nothing to stop the upper echelon from getting rid of the whole team as they are actually expendable, unless they are too valuable due to time spent recruiting and training them. McVeigh would serve as an example that their Manchurian Candidate system works, and the other operators are not a threat to the conspirators."
So it is not so "way out" as it may appear on the surface. The government has pulled it off before. It has long been speculated that John Wilkes Booth did not die in that burning barn in 1865. Now we can prove it. In our research in recent years, we came across a gem - a book written by Booth's granddaughter in 1937, who as a young child was kept in the dark by her mother and most family members about Booth's escape. But the older she got, the more she became so intrigued that she pursued the case during her whole adult life and sorted out the facts. In her twilight years, she produced the irrefutable evidence that Booth survived to an old age. We shall pursue the details soon in an upcoming addition to our continuing series of "Assassinations and Cover-up."
No, we are not convinced that Tim is still alive, but we also have no way of knowing that he is really dead. And you don't either.
For more on OKC and other cover-ups Go To
http://www.patshannan.com/
Other Columns by Pat Shannan
================================
Execution Eye Witness - Susan Carlson, Media Witness: 4 min. 27 sec. "he appeared to be still breathing or what appeared to be shallow breathing, even after being pronounced dead and his eyes remained open".
Windows Media Player) - See and hear this first. Execution Eye Witness
