"Another Pogrom?"

Grassy Knoll Audio Interview with Eric Jon Phelps
“Another Pogrom?”
January 31 2005

http://shows.vyzygothsgrassyknoll.org/phelps1-31-05.mp3

Another Pogrom?

Interview with Eric Jon Phelps, author of Vatican Assassins. Discussion of rising furor toward all Jewry and the connections between some factions of Jewry and Freemasonry, Communism, the Vatican and Jesuit Order.

Dizzy: Our guest today is “Vatican Assassins” author Eric Jon Phelps. We usually have Eric on to speak about the Vatican and the Jesuit order and we’ll do that today, but I’ve asked him to speak about a situation that’s troubling today, and that’s the whole question of Jewry.

Eric, I want to thank you for joining us today.

Now, let me set this up, a lot of email groups I’m in -- and you can read it in magazines and elsewhere -- but it seems that we are really in the spirit of anti-Semitism as it regards Jewry.
Are you finding this palpable as well?

Phelps: Oh yes, I see it as well, spreading faster than it ever has in this country, due to what I believe is the Supreme Courts decision to kick the Bible out of the public schools in 1963;

Dizzy: Thanks to those high level freemasons who did that.

Phelps: That’s exactly what they want…they want to create an atmosphere of anti-Jewish fury, which is what I call it. I believe the term is more correct than anti Semitism, in that Arabs are also Semites; and so once that would be happening then the devil knows that when a nation begins to persecute the Jews, then Genesis:12 and 15 and 17 and all the promises with regard to that race kick in, and that nation has to be cursed; exactly what happened in Egypt is exactly what happened in Germany.

Dizzy: You can point the finger at that Supreme Court decision as being the beginning of the downhill slope for a number of sectors in the United States. I don’t perceive the probable venom that’s out there towards the Jewish people there’s always been the standard streak of making fun of [them] but it seems it’s taking a turn here.

Phelps: In the FBI they will not hire any Jews to do any Arab translation work, they have a reason I forget what it was but that’s their policy.

Dizzy: Would you hazard a guess as to why if you were trying to rationalize it for yourself what would you come up with?

Phelps: I think that because the FBI’s controlled by Jesuits through the Dept of Justice and they don’t want any loyal Jews there that would do any Arab translating work because they would immediately forward it to their own loyal Jews and other people that would bring to naught any conspiracy against them.

It’s the same reason they have what’s called a ‘Jew’ room in the National Security Agency where no Jew is allowed to step foot in the Jew room.

Dizzy: It’s interesting aren’t we seeing a number of supposed Jews that are making that’s the most dangerous and critical policy for this country and I’m referring to the cabal in the neo-con plank of the Republican Party?

Phelps: Those Jews are what I call the Pope’s Court Jews or the Masonic anti-Torah Jewish Zionists and those are the enemies of the Lord’s beloved Hebrew Jewish Israelites people in that they are working completely for the papacy and many of them are Jesuit temple:
co-adjustors, one of them being Simone Perez.

Dizzy: Let’s turn our sights towards the nation of Israel. As you know there is a right wing Christian radical Evangelical group that is telling most Christians Evangelicals especially that they should be behind supporting and behind the State of Israel. Now that can be a tricky question. How would you address that?

Phelps: First I would go back to Genesis 12 with the blessing upon the physical descendents of Abraham, through Isaac and Jacob that whoever blesses His physical descendents that the Lord will bless an whoever curses them He will curse. Now that is a law of physics that will never change. Any true bible believer will always bless the race of the Jews who are the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Second of all go to the land promise of Genesis 15 and Genesis 17 where the land of Cannan is promised to them to be an everlasting possession. Therefore any true Bible believer will always defend the Jewish people’s right to their land that was given to them. It is never been taken away form them. That promise has never been taken away. They’ve been taken off the land during their Daispora pursuant to Deut: 28,, but the land has never ceased to be their s because God gave it to them.

Furthermore it was given to them by British mandate after WWI so they have a God given and human right to the land. So those are the first of all the two aspects any true Bible believer would defend.

But the problem with the state of Israel today is that it is completely controlled d by the Popes Masonic Jewish Zionists who contributed to the Holocaust during WWII evidenced by great works like Edward Blacks ‘The transfer Agreement”, ‘The Scare and the Dun” by Aniita Meyer and that wonderful book ‘Perfidy’, by Ben Heckt.

So we have to distinguish between the evil men who are in control of the government but who are completely in the hands of the papacy versus the people who live in the land who have a right to it.

Dizzy: How do you support one and not the other?

Phelps: Simple, I support their right to the land, their right to dwell there but that they have a right to be sovereign and their government should be done away with and the people there should be able to govern themselves without be governed by traitors exactly as it is today in America.

Dizzy: So even thought they have returned to their land through as a result of machinations by the European Zionists and Britain in particular Is this one of those cases we see in scripture where we shouldn’t be so concerned about how it happened but that it did happen? For example there has always been pharaohs and the likes of Nebuchadnezzar that were raised up get Yahweh’s people to do certain things?

Phelps: Well, I think it’s important to know the modus operandi because that s how we trace it through the centuries. We have to know how it happened. For example, we had the Jews in Europe, prior to WWI we had the Zionists movement that is completely in the hands of the papacy, Theodore Hertzl had an audience with the pope in 1904.

We have the Zionists in Britain working for the establishment of the state of Israel even prior to the end of WWI. We had Peter Van Passen spelling there after WWI, the great war hero, in “Days of our Years”, where he spoke with the Arab leaders and said: ‘these Jews here want to tear down the mosque and put up a temple.” And he quotes Einstein and Lord Melshed of Britain who was a Jewish statesman there. So it’s very important to see that the Jesuits ran Britain at the turn of the century and prior to that and Britain was used by the papacy to set up the Zionist movement which is what I call the anti-Torah Masonic Jewish Zionist movement and we see certain Zionist Jews like Herbert Samuel who was the first Lord high commissioner of Israel who was a high level Jewish freemason who appointed that wicked grand mufti of Jerusalem, I mean Muscini, to be the mufti who was also a brother freemason and who was involved in the killing of many Jews.

So that it continued to have this agitation brought forth by the foreign elite controlled by the papacy through their Arab and Jewish agents in the land and it will never cease they don’t want it to cease because the leaders of both groups are traitors to both groups and that includes the former Arafat and Ariel Sharon.

Dizzy: Now I mentioned two groups: the European Zionists and also what seemed to be to be the British Government. Would you say that was advanced by the Jewry of Europe or Vatican?

No, that was advanced by the high level Jews in Europe to the utter chagrin of the average Jewish people in Europe. Because the Jewish people knew they had been betrayed for example, by the American Jewish Congress. They knew they had been set up to go the camps. They knew they could have been delivered out of Europe but the American Jewish Congress with people like Rabbi Stephen Wise refused to help them. He was working in conjunction with the Archbishop of New York who at the time was I believe was Cardinal Hayes. So they knew they were being set up and sent off to the camps. And the great perfidy shows how the SS Colonal Kurt Becker, was working in conjunction with that particular Jew who was accused by Michael Greenwald,, Ruudalph Kassner. Kassner and Kurt Becker were working together to ship off 400,000 Jews off to Auschwitz out of Hungrey.

So we have these high level Masonic Jews signs? and together in conjunction and together with Adolf Eichmann and Kurt Becker and other top SS officers. They were working to create a pagan state of Israel they didn’t want any religious Jews there. All they wanted was Polish communists and other atheistic Jews they persecuted their own Sephardic religious Jews and the murder of many Sephardic children.

Dizzy: What time frame was that 1930”s? Would you go back to the time of some very strange related or at least dictated arrangements between Great Britain to what is now Israel /Palestine. We had the Balfour Declaration, The Mc Mann agreement, Sites-Peko. What was going on in the beginning of the 20th century? Around the time of WWI? Didn’t they invite the Jews to go down and inhabit the land we know as Palestine?

Phelps; Yes, they did. That was a movement that was borne, an early Zionist movement, out to the Dreyfus Affair. Actually there was a Zionist movement before the Dreyfus Affair. Napoleon Bonaparte was a Zionist. He wanted Jerusalem for the Jews. However you must remember he hated the Jews. The Jesuits were using Napoleon way back in the early 1800’s to start the Zionists movement and that’s why they sought to use him to take Jerusalem from the Turks, but he failed he got as far as Go? None the less, the Zionist really formally began with Dreyfus Affair and if you study that you’ll see that the Jesuits were involved in the accusation that Alfred Dreyfus, a French captain in the French army, was accused of giving secrets to the Germans which he never did. He was confined to Devil’s Island for a series of years and was acquitted and he was not guilty but that gave Theodore Hertzl, who was an Austrian reporter in the courtroom, the supposed impetuous to get going with the Zionist movement. He worked with the Rothschild’s in England and the Rothschild’s began donating land and money for the resettlement of Palestine in 1894.

Dizzy: Turning back to what we’ve been talking about the Jewish question you mentioned the talmudic and Torah Jews, what’s the difference?

Phelps: The Sephardic Jews for example, accept only the Torah as their final authority. The Reformed Jews, and many Jews don’t consider them Jews, only accept the Torah even though it was a liberal movement according to Barry Chambers for the purpose of destroying orthodoxy. Nonetheless the Reformed Jews do not attribute the Talmud.

The talmud is a series of writings over many, many centuries. In the days of Our Lord Jesus Christ, he condemned the traditions of the fathers and those traditions were later codified and written into what is now called the talmud. There’s the Babylonian talmud is the most popular and the Jerusalem talmud. The Babylonian talmud has things in it like Jesus Christ was a bastard and Mary was a whore, and that Jesus Christ is boiling in fetal material today in hell. It has all these terrible things in it which were written in it that were very hostile to people who believe the New Testament are truly born again and want to bless them.

I would have to dismiss the talmud as a book that has writings in it influenced by Rome for the specific purpose of inciting anti -Jewish fury towards the Jews while they are in the nations. It’s the calculated design of certain high Rabbi’s, I believe, working in conjunction with the papacy even as the chief Rabbi of Jerusalem today works with the John Paul II. So I have to dismiss the talmud as I would dismiss the Koran as I would dismiss the Council of Trent as an evil document. However, most Jews have no knowledge of the talmud , they don’t know what it says and are being blamed for it’s contents. So I would also bring that up to.

Dizzy: Now the Torah is an appenditude?

Phelps: The torah is an appenditude. And of course there’s the law of promises and the book of Psalms. the thirty nine books of the Old Testament. That’s the basis, the foundation for the New Testament. The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed. So without the foundation of the Torah there is no Messiah and there is no New Testament.
Any true Bible believer regards the Torah on an equal level as he does the New Testament.

Dizzy: What is the beginning of the talmud Is that in turn based on something else?

Phelps: The Talmud is really commentaries on a host of Rabbi’s. I believe it’s 63 volume set, it’s massive, its huge. All it is really is like a commentary, we would look at it as maybe a systematic theology, something we would not regard as inspired. Now I have some orthodox Jewish friends who believe the oral traditions are as much the word of God as the written Torah. Where there’s no passage in the Torah or the Old testament to prove that. The oral traditions are not on an equal par and of course that’s the same heresy of Romanism. They’re putting the traditions of the church fathers on a equal status with the scriptures which is typical of any cult. Any cult puts their writings on the same level with the word of God.

Dizzy: I don’t want ot get too convoluted but regarding the Talmud, does that have a relationship/op with the Kaballa and the Zohar?

Phelps: Yes, it includes that and now you have the occult involved.

Dizzy: so the Talmud gives rise to the cabbalism.

Phelps: It’s inclusive of it. Yes it is.

Dizzy: And do you believe that the talmud might have it’s origins in Egyptian sun god worship?

Phelps: If it goes back to the Cabbala, Absolutely.

Dizzy: Now when we take a look at the Israeli flag is there something wrong with the star of David?

Phelps: Absolutely, the star of David had nothing to do with the Lord’s beloved Hebrew Jewish Israelis people until about the 12th or 13th century according to my friends Joel Batterman who authored, “Crimes of the President” and Barry Chamish. The star of Daivd has nothing to do with them and it is completely and totally an occult symbol and it is referred to in the Book of Amos and in Acts Chapter 7 as the star of your god rettin). It has nothing to do with Moses, David or the Torah.

Well it is interesting that I saw that symbolism that exact star of David, the Masonic star depicted in Albert Pike’s Morals and Dogma. So going back to the 1870’s Pike was almost laughing at how much occult symbolism the church implicated.

Phelps: Well this is another important fact we want to remember also, is that the Vatican with its open policy of being anti Masonic when its real policy is that the Jesuits ruled ? all the high rights according to a Jesuit Masonic primer and according to a man named Charles Southerland, who was a high freemason in the late 1800’s. They have blamed the rights of masonry on the Jews. When you see the six pointed star, the hexagram, you think this is the Mogan David, the star of Israel and they immediately concede this is one of the key Key figures in freemasonry.

Therefore, the Jesuits being in control of Adolf Hitler, had him and the whole nazi party put forth the propaganda that masonry was Jewish. That’s why Hitler shut down all the lodges in Germany. He put tens of thousands of freemasons in the concentration camps.

Franco killed thousands of masons in Spain. Mussolini did the same.