McVeigh Gives New Insights Into OKC Bombing

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McVeigh Gives New Insights Into OKC Bombing

Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: OKC BOMBING,MCVEIGH
Source: OKCSubmariner
Published: May 5, 2001 Author: Patrick B. Briley
Posted on 05/05/2001 18:08:54 PDT by OKCSubmariner

KOCOTV News, Channel 5, the ABC affiliate in OKC did a special report on responses it received from Tim McVeigh on May 4, 2001. McVeigh answered 10 of 24 questions posed to him by KOCOTV News 5's Terri Watkins. The list of the questions and the answers can be found on KOCOTV’s web site at www.channeloklahoma.com .

I saw and taped the broadcast. McVeigh’s answers were shown in his own handwriting during the broadcast in an attempt by KOCOTV to show that the answered were authentic. I did notice from the taped broadcast that there may have been some slight and subtle differences between the responses broadcast on TV and the ones given on KOCO’s website. I have not yet studied these differences yet to see if the differences are significant.

In what follows I paraphrase some of the questions and answers and discuss how McVeigh’s answers offer new insights into the OKC bombing. But I still do not know if we can believe everything McVeigh has said or wrote to KOCOTV. I have grouped the questions together by category for the purposes of my analysis and comment.

When asked if any others besides Michael Fortier and Terry Nichols knew in advance about the bombing McVeigh replied that Lori Fortier, Michael Fortier’s wife did, but no one else did. This was for question 1.

He was asked in question 10 how many times he and others cased the building. McVeigh told KOCO that he cased the Murrah building 3 or 4 times with Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier at different times.

In question 22 McVeigh was asked about the role of the methanphetamine crowd near Kingman Arizona who knew Fortier such as a Mr. Rosencranz. McVeigh said they played no role but he also said may have met them because of their “tagging along“ with McVeigh and Fortier in Arizona.

McVeigh’s response to question 21 was that Steve Colburn, an explosives chemist of Arizona, did not help him and he claimed he never met Colburn.

Commentary on questions 1,10,21 and 22:

If Lori Fortier was involved then why was she not prosecuted like her husband was? Melvin Beall, a security guard, and three other employees at a public utility building (OG&E) in OKC near the Murrah Building told the FBI, the assistant US prosecutor, Ted Richardson, the investigator for the OK County grand jury, Dillinger, and KTOK radio in OKC that McVeigh, Mike Fortier, Jenifer McVeigh ,Mike Fortier and LORI FORTIER visited them on April 7, 1995 to ask them about the Murrah Building. Note for question 10 that McVeigh says Fortier helped him case the building. Well, was Lori Fortier with them when they cased the building during one of the three or four times?

According to Dan Hebeck and Lou Micelle, authors of the book, “American Terrorist”, McVeigh had told them no others besides Nichols were involved, but did McVeigh exclude Lori Fortier in his interviews with them or did they accurately report what he told them?

What is interesting about replies to questions 21 and 22 is that the “meth” crowd that ran with McVeigh and Fortier would likely have learned from at least Fortier if not McVeigh about the OKC bombing and may have helped. Arkansas gun dealer Roger Moore testified at the McVeigh trial that he introduced Colburn to McVeigh because he knew both men and had sold them ammunition. Numerous stories came out that Colburn’s pickup truck following McVeigh pulled over when McVeigh was stopped by OK Highway patrol trooper Charles Hanger and the license plate on the pickup was allegedly recorded by Hanger’s video camera. Hanger and the FBI have not made the video tape available and Hanger admitted he took the tape home and reviewed it.

Neighbors of the Fortiers contend that Fortier and Rosecrans left Kingman about two weeks before the OKC bombing and did not return until several days after the bombing. Colburn was arrested in Arizona in May 1995 for weapons charges and had a “meth” facility on his property as reported in the New York Times on May 13, 1995. The NY Times reported that Colburn was a chemist who had built and tested bombs in the Arizona desert. During the McVeigh trial it was reported that a note had been found in the Artizona desert on a high power line written by McVeigh to Colburn.

McVeigh gave these answers to questions about the truck bomb:

McVeigh answered question 3 by saying that he did not use detonation cord or dynamite. He said he used “Tovex” and "Primadet"(shock tube) instead.

For question 15 McVeigh described the references he studied to design (engineer) and build the truck bomb. The list of references McVeigh gave were:

A book circulated on the gun show circuit entitled "Two-Component High-Explosive Mixtures". He said he learned later from an FBI 302 that the wrong AN/NM [amonium nitrate/nitromethane] ratio was given in the book.

The Turner Diaries

Encyclopedias

The Prime Time Live program in late March 2001 did a reenactment of how they claimed McVeigh told Herbeck and Michel the truck bomb was built. In that account a five minute and a two minute fuse were described as ingniting the truck bomb. Yet in his response to KOCOTV McVeigh says no detonator cord or fuse was used. So how is the discrepancy to be explained? Did McVeigh change his story, did the authors report correctly what McVeigh told them or is there some other explanation?

If the wrong ratio of ammonium nitrate to nitro methane was given in the book he used, did McVeigh use the wrong ratio? If so, would this mean that the truck bomb was not as powerful as he had intended and thereby not account for the pattern and extend of damage and suggest additional devices were used? A fresh dynamite wrapper was found in the Murrah building rubble aaccording to McVeigh trial testimony, yet McVeigh said no dynamite was used. Dr. Heath, the head of the VA office in the building says he heard a dynamite blast first then a truck bomb. Here is another discrepancy. Were the reports of dynamite correct? If they were correct, did McVeigh use dyamite or did others either known or unknown to him use dynamite? Was dynamite illegally stored in the building?

Also Heath has told a number of journalists (Bill Jasper of the New American, and others) in my presence that McVeigh, Mike Fortier and either an Indian or a Middle Eastern man came to his office on April 7, 1995 in the Murrah building saying they were looking for jobs. This is believed to be the same day Beall and his coworkers spoke to McVeigh, Fortier and his wife Lori Fortier at the public utility building near the Murrah building. Heath says the FBI threatened to destroy his reputation in OKC if he talked publicly and gave any more TV interviews about the John Does he saw with McVeigh in his office. Heath’s story like that of Beall and his coworkers bares upon the answer McVeigh gave about Lori Fortier’s involvement in question 1.

McVeigh said that he has tried to talk about the mistakes the federal prosecutors and the FBI made in the investigation, but he claimed he did not make “the cut”. He invited KOCOTV to do a story about the mistakes made by the FBI and the prosecutors that he tried but failed to get out himself. This was covered by question 20.

McVeigh’s answer to question 20 implies that his attorneys or perhaps others did not help McVeigh get his story out about what the FBI and prosecutors did wrong. Did Stephen Jones not listen to or help McVeigh with McVeigh’s knowledge and complaints about incorrect things FBI agents and prosecutors did at the trials? Did McVeigh try to tell others outside of prison through his attorneys or others what he knew was incorrect about the FBI and US prosecutors statements?

If McVeigh’s knowledge and complaints had gotten told we may have learned more of what really happened. Is it possible that the government and/or his attorneys may have blocked McVeigh from telling anything incriminating about the government’s sting operation role and their foreknowledge? Or it is possible that McVeigh could have lied anyway even if his story were told and had gotten out?

I doubt that KOCO will help McVeigh tell the story as he invited them to do. KOCOTV’s Terri Watkins who corresponded with McVeigh to get the questions answered has very close and long standing ties to the FBI and to a member of the US prosecution team, Vicki Bohenna, who went to high school with Mrs. Watkins. I have spoken to Watkins many times before and after the OKC bombing.

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