"The LORD talked with you face to face...."

Deut. 5:4
"The LORD talked with you face to face...."
Fri Apr 1, 2005 01:42
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A few other verses:

Jer.3:12 "I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever."
Jer.17:4 "Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever."

Le:20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Le:20:18: And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.

1Tm:2:11: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Tm:2:12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Tm:2:13: For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Ex:35:2: Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
I know people who work on Sundays.

Leviticus 24.21: "And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death."
One of the commandments: "Thou shalt not kill."
It is sinful for the U.S. soldier to kill a man. A real Christian therefore would not support the war nor praise the U.S. soldier.

Eph:5:22: "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord."
If the institute of marriage is really that sacred, why didn't any church raise a fuss when the "OBEY" part was taken out?

"He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:. . ." Proverbs 28:26
Do not trust your own heart.
"...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" (Luke 14:33)
Keeping more material possessions than one needs is sinful.

A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" (Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21)
I see very few Christians who trust these words enough to actually give up all their toys.

"He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
Don't lose your ticket into Heaven, cover your jewels!

"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD."
Poor kid, it wasn't his fault.

De:23:3: "An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever"
It would have sucked happening to be born to a Moabite.

I'm sure we've all experienced countless so-called Christians who, according to His words, will not enter the Kingdom of God because they refuse to face the fact that they are living in adultery. Many close their eyes to these words:
A true follower of Jesus can neither divorce someone: "So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6, Mark 10:9),
nor marry someone who is divorced, "whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery" (Matt. 5:32, 19:9, Luke 16:18).
There is an exception to the previous, however. If the spouse commits adultery, divorce is permissible: "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery" (Matt. 5:32).
The Bible also says that anyone who obtains a divorce and marries another is an adulterer: "...whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11, Luke 16:18),--Mark 10:12 which applies to women as well. In essence, according to Christ's teachings:

* (1) one can never obtain a divorce, except in the case of an adulterous spouse;
* (2) one can never marry a divorced person, and
* (3) one who obtains a divorce and marries another is committing adultery.

If the institute of marriage is really so sacred to the Church, why are there no churches demanding second marriages be illegal?


M'r:10:11: And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
M'r:10:12: And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

But yet another exception, which is actually a command from the Lord:
De:25:5: "If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her."
De:25:6: "And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel."

All this time people criticized the Catholic church for not allowing women priests, yet they were merely abiding by the Lord's command.
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak"--1 Cor.14:34
In other words, any woman who feels she can speak in the church is a sinner, plain and clear.

The Lord doesn't like women dressing up too much, or women with braided hair (a warning to ghetto women). Those prideful boasting women are actually sinners.
"...that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire"--1 Tim. 2:9
"Let not yours be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing"--1 Peter 3:3

Lu:6:27: But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Lu:6:28: Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

Lu:6:29: And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.



M't:5:43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

M't:5:44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

A true Christian LOVES Osama Bin Laden, for he is considered an enemy and he curses the U.S.



Proverb:16:4: The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
The Lord made evil, intentionally. Evil was in his plan.


Original Sin

One of the most important concepts in Christianity is original sin, or the belief that all mankind has inherited a sinful nature brought about by the acts of Adam and Eve.

Rom. 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

Rom. 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,..."

1Cor. 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, ..."

Yet, no amount of theological reasoning can make an inherently unjust idea seem right. Punishing billions of people for the acts of one is not only inherently unfair and unwarranted but also in opposition to other Biblical verses such as:

Deut. 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers (2Chron.25:54) :every man shall be put to death for his own sin." (2 Kings 14:6)

Ezek. 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Ezek.33:20 "O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways."

Jer. 31:29-30 "In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge."

Rom. 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds."

Ezek. 18:4 "... the soul that sinneth, it shall die."

Each of these verses shows that every person should only be punished for those sins which he commits, not those of others.

Original sin makes about as much sense as if I were sitting at home one evening and the following occurred: The police came to my door and stated I was under arrest because my father in Europe just shot and killed someone. I responded by asking what that had to do with me and they said, "He's your father, isn't he?"

Contradictions
Another false conception held by many Christians is that the Bible is without contradictions. Few beliefs are more erroneous. The following examples are only a fraction of those that could be mentioned:

Rom.3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

1Kgs. 8:46 "...for there is no man that sinneth not,...." (2Chr. 6:36)

Prov.20:9 "Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?"

Eccl. 7:23 "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."

Mark 10:18 "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

Rom. 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one." (Also 1 John 1:8 & 10, Rom. 3:12, 5:12, Gal. 3:22)
Versus

Gen. 6:9 "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job 1:8 "...my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" (Job 2:3)

Gen. 7:1 "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation."

Luke 1:5-6 "In the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abia: and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.(RSV)

The Face of God
Another clear contradiction concerns whether or not God repents.

Num. 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent."

1Sam. 15:29 "And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent."
Versus

Jonah 3:10 "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

1Sam.15:11 "It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king...."

Exod. 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Jeremiah 26:3 "... for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you."

Gen. 6:6 "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

1Sam. 15:35 "...and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."

The Face of God
One final contradiction is worthy of note. It concerns the question of whether or not God's face has been seen.

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time;..."

John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."

1John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."
Versus

Gen. 32:30 "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

Exod. 33:11 "And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

Num. 14:14 "...that thou LORD art seen face to face,..."

Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."

Deut. 34:10 "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,..."

Deut. 5:4 "The LORD talked with you face to face...." (also Psalm 63:2 Isa.6:1 & 6:5, Amos 7:7-8, Ezek. 20:35, Ex. 24:9-10

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