NOT A CHECKPOINT BUT A PATROL THAT SHOT AT US
Giuliana Sgrena is carried off an aircraft at Ciampino military airport in Rome on Saturday. (AP photo)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Italian Job.
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:56:31 -0600
From: Jueri Svjagintsev deepeddy@texasdata.net
Ooops, one more:
The forum is here --
http://hraunfjord.com/whatreallyhappened/viewtopic.php?p=39995#39995
Giuliana Sgrena and wounded Italian military intel agent have been
interviewed by Italian magistrate... after he left she spoke with
press, said it was a PATROL not a checkpoint - suddenly found
themselves in that shot at them, shot immediately with no warning
whatsoever, instant massive hail of bullets and no chance to
communicate - confirms the car was NOT speeding, was travelling at
slowish normal speed.
"Non era un check point, ma una pattuglia che ha sparato appena dopo
averci illuminato con un faro. Non si è capita la provenienza dei
proiettili, precedentemente non avevamo incontrato posti di blocco".
" IT WAS NOT A CHECKPOINT BUT A PATROL THAT SHOT AT US IMMEDIATELY
AFTER HAVING TURNED A LIGHT ON US. WE COULDN?T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE
BULLETS WERE COMING FROM, BEFORE THAT WE HADN'T ENCOUNTERED ANY
CHECKPOINTS"
(Giuliana Sgrena)
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/c/sezioni/esteri/iraq45/nveloc/nveloc.html
On Mar 5, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Jueri Svjagintsev wrote:
Forum clips from a new Zealander living in Italy:
========================================
To give an idea of the climate here, this is today's front page on Il
Manifesto - HUGE headlines:
Giuliana Sgrena è libera.
Gli americani sparano.
Assassinato il suo liberatore.
Si chiamava Nicola Calipari
Translation:
Giuliana Sgrena is free.
The Americans shoot,
murdering her liberator.
His name was Nicola Calipari.
In a first interview, Giuliana has said her kidnappers never
mistreated her - said the WORST moment of her whole experience was the
shooting and CALIPARI'S death ... ("in her arms" ...as he was lying on
top of her, shielding her with his body during the shooting-massacre,
died as she was clutching him...)
So if the US continues to "justify" these murders saying it was
basically "all the victims' fault" as usual - i.e. unless they
seriously eat crow, abjectly go down on bended knees which means at v.
least court-martialing their checkpoint murder-squad - think they
will soon be saying bye-bye to Italian "collaboration"!!
===============================
Latest from Giuliana's partner Scolari (from La Repubblica.it)
14:59 Scolari: "Militari Usa hanno impedito i soccorsi"
"I militari Usa hanno impedito i soccorsi per alcuni minuti e hanno
impedito che chiunque si avvicinasse all'auto". Lo ha detto Pier
Scolari entrando all'ospedale del Celio. "Giuliana aveva avuto delle
informazioni secondo le quali gli Usa non l'avrebbero lasciata tornare
viva a casa. Il governo ha l'obbligo di fare luce e gli Usa devono
avere il coraggio di dire che in Iraq siamo in mano a dei ragazzini",
ha aggiunto Scolari.
US soldiers prevented first aid.
"The US soldiers prevented first aid for several minutes and
prevented anyone from coming near the car", said Pier Scolari as he
entered Celio (military) hospital. "Giuliana had had information that
the USA wouldn't let her return home alive. The Government must cast
light on what happened and the USA must have the courage to say that
in Iraq we are in the hands of teenagers", he added.
14:56 Scolari: "Giuliana ha raccolto manciate di proiettili"
"Giuliana ha raccolto decine di proiettili, a manciate, erano tutti
sul sedile dopo la sparatoria". Lo ha detto Pier Scolari, aggiungendo
che "Calipari aveva fatto quella strada tantissime volte e quindi si
potrebbe pensare male: che gli americani non volevano il lieto fine.
Questo è un motivo buono per andare via dall'Iraq".
"Giuliana has collected handfuls of bullets"
"Giuliana collected dozens of bullets, by the handful, they were all
on the carseat after the shooting", said Pier Scolari, adding that
"Calipari had travelled along that road a great many times, so there
is reason to suspect foul play: that the Americans didn't want the
happy ending. This is a good reason to leave Iraq".
===============================
CNN's statement that "Sgrena's partner said he could not fault the
U.S. soldiers, telling Reuters they were probably "scared boys," and
the blame lay with those who had sent them to Iraq." is an outright
LIE: what he is actually saying is a helluva-lot less "convenient" -
he's calling the US military who shot at the car CRAZY TRIGGER-HAPPY
LUNATICS, says they fired over 400 shots, attack lasted several
minutes. Calling Calipari's death a MURDER, maybe a deliberate
AMBUSH... says could have been a deliberate US assassination-attempt
to stop Giuliana telling the truth about Fallujah!! Denies ANY attempt
to warn car before opening fire. Confirms CAR WAS DRIVING SLOWLY, US
FORCES HAD BEEN FULLY INFORMED THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS, ITALIAN
MILITARY WERE WAITING FOR GIULIANA AT AIRPORT.
So CNN is lying through its teeth! DOES NOT "look good" here that US
is trying to justify and cast blame on victims. Also NOT even true
that Italy is "celebrating" Giuliana's release.. all
release-celebrations have been cancelled due to the shooting,
Calipari's coffin will be greeted by heads of state, big state funeral
- that's national mourning not "celebration", duh - both right and
left grieved and furious, big big diplomatic tension -same climate
throughout press and TV.
=====================================
Giuliana Sgrena: 'Voice of weakest'
BBC News, UK - 9 hours ago
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena never thought she would be taken hostage telling the story of the people she deeply cared for. ...
GOOGLE:
Giuliana Sgrena is carried off an aircraft at Ciampino military airport in Rome on Saturday. (AP photo)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Italian Job.
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:56:31 -0600
From: Jueri Svjagintsev deepeddy@texasdata.net
Ooops, one more:
The forum is here --
http://hraunfjord.com/whatreallyhappened/viewtopic.php?p=39995#39995
Giuliana Sgrena and wounded Italian military intel agent have been
interviewed by Italian magistrate... after he left she spoke with
press, said it was a PATROL not a checkpoint - suddenly found
themselves in that shot at them, shot immediately with no warning
whatsoever, instant massive hail of bullets and no chance to
communicate - confirms the car was NOT speeding, was travelling at
slowish normal speed.
"Non era un check point, ma una pattuglia che ha sparato appena dopo
averci illuminato con un faro. Non si è capita la provenienza dei
proiettili, precedentemente non avevamo incontrato posti di blocco".
" IT WAS NOT A CHECKPOINT BUT A PATROL THAT SHOT AT US IMMEDIATELY
AFTER HAVING TURNED A LIGHT ON US. WE COULDN?T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE
BULLETS WERE COMING FROM, BEFORE THAT WE HADN'T ENCOUNTERED ANY
CHECKPOINTS"
(Giuliana Sgrena)
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/c/sezioni/esteri/iraq45/nveloc/nveloc.html
On Mar 5, 2005, at 4:52 PM, Jueri Svjagintsev wrote:
Forum clips from a new Zealander living in Italy:
========================================
To give an idea of the climate here, this is today's front page on Il
Manifesto - HUGE headlines:
Giuliana Sgrena è libera.
Gli americani sparano.
Assassinato il suo liberatore.
Si chiamava Nicola Calipari
Translation:
Giuliana Sgrena is free.
The Americans shoot,
murdering her liberator.
His name was Nicola Calipari.
In a first interview, Giuliana has said her kidnappers never
mistreated her - said the WORST moment of her whole experience was the
shooting and CALIPARI'S death ... ("in her arms" ...as he was lying on
top of her, shielding her with his body during the shooting-massacre,
died as she was clutching him...
So if the US continues to "justify" these murders saying it was
basically "all the victims' fault" as usual - i.e. unless they
seriously eat crow, abjectly go down on bended knees which means at v.
least court-martialing their checkpoint murder-squad - think they
will soon be saying bye-bye to Italian "collaboration"!!
===============================
Latest from Giuliana's partner Scolari (from La Repubblica.it)
14:59 Scolari: "Militari Usa hanno impedito i soccorsi"
"I militari Usa hanno impedito i soccorsi per alcuni minuti e hanno
impedito che chiunque si avvicinasse all'auto". Lo ha detto Pier
Scolari entrando all'ospedale del Celio. "Giuliana aveva avuto delle
informazioni secondo le quali gli Usa non l'avrebbero lasciata tornare
viva a casa. Il governo ha l'obbligo di fare luce e gli Usa devono
avere il coraggio di dire che in Iraq siamo in mano a dei ragazzini",
ha aggiunto Scolari.
US soldiers prevented first aid.
"The US soldiers prevented first aid for several minutes and
prevented anyone from coming near the car", said Pier Scolari as he
entered Celio (military) hospital. "Giuliana had had information that
the USA wouldn't let her return home alive. The Government must cast
light on what happened and the USA must have the courage to say that
in Iraq we are in the hands of teenagers", he added.
14:56 Scolari: "Giuliana ha raccolto manciate di proiettili"
"Giuliana ha raccolto decine di proiettili, a manciate, erano tutti
sul sedile dopo la sparatoria". Lo ha detto Pier Scolari, aggiungendo
che "Calipari aveva fatto quella strada tantissime volte e quindi si
potrebbe pensare male: che gli americani non volevano il lieto fine.
Questo è un motivo buono per andare via dall'Iraq".
"Giuliana has collected handfuls of bullets"
"Giuliana collected dozens of bullets, by the handful, they were all
on the carseat after the shooting", said Pier Scolari, adding that
"Calipari had travelled along that road a great many times, so there
is reason to suspect foul play: that the Americans didn't want the
happy ending. This is a good reason to leave Iraq".
===============================
CNN's statement that "Sgrena's partner said he could not fault the
U.S. soldiers, telling Reuters they were probably "scared boys," and
the blame lay with those who had sent them to Iraq." is an outright
LIE: what he is actually saying is a helluva-lot less "convenient" -
he's calling the US military who shot at the car CRAZY TRIGGER-HAPPY
LUNATICS, says they fired over 400 shots, attack lasted several
minutes. Calling Calipari's death a MURDER, maybe a deliberate
AMBUSH... says could have been a deliberate US assassination-attempt
to stop Giuliana telling the truth about Fallujah!! Denies ANY attempt
to warn car before opening fire. Confirms CAR WAS DRIVING SLOWLY, US
FORCES HAD BEEN FULLY INFORMED THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS, ITALIAN
MILITARY WERE WAITING FOR GIULIANA AT AIRPORT.
So CNN is lying through its teeth! DOES NOT "look good" here that US
is trying to justify and cast blame on victims. Also NOT even true
that Italy is "celebrating" Giuliana's release.. all
release-celebrations have been cancelled due to the shooting,
Calipari's coffin will be greeted by heads of state, big state funeral
- that's national mourning not "celebration", duh - both right and
left grieved and furious, big big diplomatic tension -same climate
throughout press and TV.
=====================================
Giuliana Sgrena: 'Voice of weakest'
BBC News, UK - 9 hours ago
Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena never thought she would be taken hostage telling the story of the people she deeply cared for. ...
GOOGLE:
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