David Solomons
Re: AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND
THE WAR ON TERR
Fri Jan 28, 2005 14:48
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Subject: AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:58:42 -0000
From: Solomons, David David.Solomons@islington.gov.uk
Sir,
To the Author of the Above Article.
I have read your article and feel compelled to comment on it.
It is everyone's democratic right (in as much as democracy exists anywhere on our planet) to hold any view they wish provided it is injurious to no-one. Though not in agreement with the thrust of your article, i.e. that it was the Mossad that was responsible for the 9/11 attack, I respect your right to interpret the 'evidence' in that way.
However, I would direct you, if you have not already, to read Umberto Eco's novel ' Foucault's Pendulum', as a lesson in subjectivity masquerading as objectivity, which is what I feel your article represents. Let me state explicitly that I don't say you are wrong, but I maintain that your claim that the case is one of iron-clad Zionist culpability is not certainly right. It could also have been one of several other groups, including a wholey home-grown American 'conspiracy.' WASPs are as capable of forming conspiracies just as well as Jews, or was it a group of Zionists at Deeley Plaza that day in 1963 too?
Regarding your assertions, certainly the Mossad undertakes covert operations designed to further its own aims, but I have news for you, that's what intelligence agencies do. The CIA has for years fermented and instigated the most terrible atrocities in South America which have nothing to do with 'Zionist' interest (may I direct you towards the handiwork of the graduates of the notorious 'School of the Americas.') And 'false flag operations,' goodness me what a vile Zionist invention. You certainly wouldn't find American institutions doing anything like that would you? Certainly not USAF Generals such as Curtis LeMay planning to deliberately violate Soviet airspace, then use their mobilisation as a pretext for US attacks. And most emphatically not Operation Northwoods, a fake American terror attack to galvanise support for a Cuban War. The naked truth is that international relations are a dirty business, it's machtpolitik, dog eat dog Darwinist (or, as you are an American, Creationist) struggle and no one, but no one, has clean hands.
Certainly too Zionist influence was exerted throughout the 20th century during important historical events. Yet, like a Venn diagram, many other powerful groups and nations were doing likewise. WWI was relentless driven forwards by the Kaiser's immature envy of his British cousins and Germany's powerful imperialist ambitions. Such events are thus precipitated by complex collisions of factors, and certainly not reducible to your childish simplicities such as "the Zionists were responsible for WWI and WWII." Any decent historian worth his or her salt would laugh you out of town for such preposterous nonsense.
The trouble with your general argument is one of double bind. If, as you claim, the Mossad were powerful enough, professional enough and well organised enough to mastermind the 9/11 attack without trace (exception obviously for your piercing mind, thank Heavens America has you guard its real interests) do you really think its operatives would then allow themselves to be seen and photographed celebrating and hi-fiving in front of the crumbling World Trade Centre? What utter tripe. And by the way, loathsome as such a 'celebration' was, I've talked first hand to old men in South East Asia that remember Americans doing just the same thing as they stood and watched another Vietnamese village burn. It's so easy to point the finger and take the moral high ground isn't it? Whilst we're on the subject I don't remember much of an outcry in the United States when I was watching American-funded terrorists (the IRA) blow up the children of Warrington, Omagh, London etc. But somehow the Irish just don't make such great copy as the Jews do they?
On a grander scale too, if the 'Zionist monster' was really as powerful and exerted such a strangulating grip over the worlds institutions, media, military etc, they would hardly be troubled by a few ramshackled Palestinians in refuge camps. The truth is that you are just peddling the same tired old Protocols of the Elders of Zion balderdash, spiced up and reheated for the 21st century.
I know there was more to 9/11 than the ruling powers let on. I know that details were forged, evidence ignored or destroyed, suspects never caught. But I also know enough to know that I can have no certainty about who did actually organise the attack, and neither can you. As I said at the start of this email, I respect your right to think that it was Israel, but you have no right to try and lamely pass that off as fact. It's my democratic right also to think you an absolute idiot. And indeed I do.
Respectfully yours,
David Solomons - David.Solomons@islington.gov.uk
PS - A joke that you might appreciate, as told to me by a Rabbi. "What's the definition of an anti-Semite? Anyone who hates the Jews more than is absolutely necessary."
PPS - And a joke you might not. Lindburgh is talking to FDR and he says “Everything that is wrong with America today is the fault of the Jews.” And FDR says, “Yes, the Jews and the bicycle riders.” So Lindburgh says, “Why the bicycle riders?” to which FDR replies, “Why the Jews?”
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Saudi Minister: Jews Behind 9/11 Attacks
By ALAA SHAHINE
Associated Press Writer
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- The Saudi police minister has claimed Jews were behind the Sept. 11 attacks because they have benefited from subsequent criticism of Islam and Arabs, according to media reports.
Interior Minister Prince Nayef made the remarks in the Arabic-language Kuwaiti daily Assyasah last month. The latest edition of Ain al-Yaqeen, a weekly Internet magazine devoted to Saudi issues, posted the Assyasah interview and its own English translation.
"We know that the Jews have manipulated the Sept. 11 incidents and turned American public opinion against Arabs and Muslims," Prince Nayef was quoted as saying in the Arabic text, while Ain al Yaqeen's English version referred to "Zionists" instead of "Jews."
"We still ask ourselves: Who has benefited from Sept. 11 attacks? I think they (the Jews) were the protagonists of such attacks," Nayef was quoted as saying. Nayef's spokesman, Saud al-Musaibeeh, did not respond to repeated requests for confirmation the minister had been quoted accurately.
The Internet magazine's English translation of the comments began to attract attention in the United States just as the Saudis launched a new public relations campaign to address accusations the kingdom is soft on terrorism and inculcates extremist thought among its citizens.
"The Saudis are telling us that they are an ally in the war on terror while their top government officials are still blaming ... the Jews and denying that 15 Saudis took part in the attacks on New York and the Pentagon," Rep. Eliot Engel, a New York Democrat, said in Washington earlier this week.
"The Bush administration continually defends Saudi Arabia as a friend of the United States and a committed partner in the war on terror," Engel said. "Does this Saudi minister sound like a partner in the war on terror?"
Sen. Charles Schumer, also a New York Democrat, wrote this week in a letter to the Saudi ambassador to the United States that "the interior minister's comments only serve to confirm American suspicions about the Saudi government's commitment to the war on terror."
Nayef's remarks echoed rumors that have been heard in the Arab world since the attacks - but this time they are attributed to the man in charge of Saudi investigations into the attacks.
The Saudi minister was quoted in the interview as saying his kingdom is currently detaining some 100 terror suspects for interrogation. He added that the suspects "will either apologize for their mistakes and change their course or will be referred to trial."
The United States has blamed the Sept. 11 attacks on al-Qaida terror network, whose chief, Osama bin Laden, was stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994. It took Saudi Arabia five months after the attacks to acknowledge that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. The Gulf kingdom, a close U.S. ally, has never officially held al-Qaida responsible for the attacks and usually refers to the hijackers as people "enticed and deluded" into committing their crimes.
Several statements attributed to bin Laden aired by the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television claimed responsibility for the attacks. A statement attributed to al-Qaida's "political bureau" that appeared Monday on an Islamic web site listed the Sept. 11 attacks as among the successful operations carried out by the terrorist group against the United States.
In the interview, Nayef said he could not believe that bin Laden and his network, including Saudi participants, worked alone.
He was quoted as saying he believed terrorist networks have links to "foreign intelligence agencies that work against Arab and Muslim interests, chief among them is the Israeli Mossad."
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=1459
Subject: AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF 9-11 AND THE WAR ON TERRORISM
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:58:42 -0000
From: Solomons, David David.Solomons@islington.gov.uk
Sir,
To the Author of the Above Article.
I have read your article and feel compelled to comment on it.
It is everyone's democratic right (in as much as democracy exists anywhere on our planet) to hold any view they wish provided it is injurious to no-one. Though not in agreement with the thrust of your article, i.e. that it was the Mossad that was responsible for the 9/11 attack, I respect your right to interpret the 'evidence' in that way.
However, I would direct you, if you have not already, to read Umberto Eco's novel ' Foucault's Pendulum', as a lesson in subjectivity masquerading as objectivity, which is what I feel your article represents. Let me state explicitly that I don't say you are wrong, but I maintain that your claim that the case is one of iron-clad Zionist culpability is not certainly right. It could also have been one of several other groups, including a wholey home-grown American 'conspiracy.' WASPs are as capable of forming conspiracies just as well as Jews, or was it a group of Zionists at Deeley Plaza that day in 1963 too?
Regarding your assertions, certainly the Mossad undertakes covert operations designed to further its own aims, but I have news for you, that's what intelligence agencies do. The CIA has for years fermented and instigated the most terrible atrocities in South America which have nothing to do with 'Zionist' interest (may I direct you towards the handiwork of the graduates of the notorious 'School of the Americas.') And 'false flag operations,' goodness me what a vile Zionist invention. You certainly wouldn't find American institutions doing anything like that would you? Certainly not USAF Generals such as Curtis LeMay planning to deliberately violate Soviet airspace, then use their mobilisation as a pretext for US attacks. And most emphatically not Operation Northwoods, a fake American terror attack to galvanise support for a Cuban War. The naked truth is that international relations are a dirty business, it's machtpolitik, dog eat dog Darwinist (or, as you are an American, Creationist) struggle and no one, but no one, has clean hands.
Certainly too Zionist influence was exerted throughout the 20th century during important historical events. Yet, like a Venn diagram, many other powerful groups and nations were doing likewise. WWI was relentless driven forwards by the Kaiser's immature envy of his British cousins and Germany's powerful imperialist ambitions. Such events are thus precipitated by complex collisions of factors, and certainly not reducible to your childish simplicities such as "the Zionists were responsible for WWI and WWII." Any decent historian worth his or her salt would laugh you out of town for such preposterous nonsense.
The trouble with your general argument is one of double bind. If, as you claim, the Mossad were powerful enough, professional enough and well organised enough to mastermind the 9/11 attack without trace (exception obviously for your piercing mind, thank Heavens America has you guard its real interests) do you really think its operatives would then allow themselves to be seen and photographed celebrating and hi-fiving in front of the crumbling World Trade Centre? What utter tripe. And by the way, loathsome as such a 'celebration' was, I've talked first hand to old men in South East Asia that remember Americans doing just the same thing as they stood and watched another Vietnamese village burn. It's so easy to point the finger and take the moral high ground isn't it? Whilst we're on the subject I don't remember much of an outcry in the United States when I was watching American-funded terrorists (the IRA) blow up the children of Warrington, Omagh, London etc. But somehow the Irish just don't make such great copy as the Jews do they?
On a grander scale too, if the 'Zionist monster' was really as powerful and exerted such a strangulating grip over the worlds institutions, media, military etc, they would hardly be troubled by a few ramshackled Palestinians in refuge camps. The truth is that you are just peddling the same tired old Protocols of the Elders of Zion balderdash, spiced up and reheated for the 21st century.
I know there was more to 9/11 than the ruling powers let on. I know that details were forged, evidence ignored or destroyed, suspects never caught. But I also know enough to know that I can have no certainty about who did actually organise the attack, and neither can you. As I said at the start of this email, I respect your right to think that it was Israel, but you have no right to try and lamely pass that off as fact. It's my democratic right also to think you an absolute idiot. And indeed I do.
Respectfully yours,
David Solomons - David.Solomons@islington.gov.uk
PS - A joke that you might appreciate, as told to me by a Rabbi. "What's the definition of an anti-Semite? Anyone who hates the Jews more than is absolutely necessary."
PPS - And a joke you might not. Lindburgh is talking to FDR and he says “Everything that is wrong with America today is the fault of the Jews.” And FDR says, “Yes, the Jews and the bicycle riders.” So Lindburgh says, “Why the bicycle riders?” to which FDR replies, “Why the Jews?”
=====================
Conspiracy Theories about Jews and 9/11 Cause Dangerous Mutations ...
... Conspiracy Theories about Jews and 9/11 Cause Dangerous Mutations in Global
Anti-Semitism, Says the Anti-Defamation League US Newswire NEW YORK, Sept. ...
Results 1 - 10 of about 753,000 for THE JEWS & 9/11.
Saudi Minister: Jews Behind 9/11 Attacks
By ALAA SHAHINE
Associated Press Writer
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- The Saudi police minister has claimed Jews were behind the Sept. 11 attacks because they have benefited from subsequent criticism of Islam and Arabs, according to media reports.
Interior Minister Prince Nayef made the remarks in the Arabic-language Kuwaiti daily Assyasah last month. The latest edition of Ain al-Yaqeen, a weekly Internet magazine devoted to Saudi issues, posted the Assyasah interview and its own English translation.
"We know that the Jews have manipulated the Sept. 11 incidents and turned American public opinion against Arabs and Muslims," Prince Nayef was quoted as saying in the Arabic text, while Ain al Yaqeen's English version referred to "Zionists" instead of "Jews."
"We still ask ourselves: Who has benefited from Sept. 11 attacks? I think they (the Jews) were the protagonists of such attacks," Nayef was quoted as saying. Nayef's spokesman, Saud al-Musaibeeh, did not respond to repeated requests for confirmation the minister had been quoted accurately.
The Internet magazine's English translation of the comments began to attract attention in the United States just as the Saudis launched a new public relations campaign to address accusations the kingdom is soft on terrorism and inculcates extremist thought among its citizens.
"The Saudis are telling us that they are an ally in the war on terror while their top government officials are still blaming ... the Jews and denying that 15 Saudis took part in the attacks on New York and the Pentagon," Rep. Eliot Engel, a New York Democrat, said in Washington earlier this week.
"The Bush administration continually defends Saudi Arabia as a friend of the United States and a committed partner in the war on terror," Engel said. "Does this Saudi minister sound like a partner in the war on terror?"
Sen. Charles Schumer, also a New York Democrat, wrote this week in a letter to the Saudi ambassador to the United States that "the interior minister's comments only serve to confirm American suspicions about the Saudi government's commitment to the war on terror."
Nayef's remarks echoed rumors that have been heard in the Arab world since the attacks - but this time they are attributed to the man in charge of Saudi investigations into the attacks.
The Saudi minister was quoted in the interview as saying his kingdom is currently detaining some 100 terror suspects for interrogation. He added that the suspects "will either apologize for their mistakes and change their course or will be referred to trial."
The United States has blamed the Sept. 11 attacks on al-Qaida terror network, whose chief, Osama bin Laden, was stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994. It took Saudi Arabia five months after the attacks to acknowledge that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. The Gulf kingdom, a close U.S. ally, has never officially held al-Qaida responsible for the attacks and usually refers to the hijackers as people "enticed and deluded" into committing their crimes.
Several statements attributed to bin Laden aired by the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television claimed responsibility for the attacks. A statement attributed to al-Qaida's "political bureau" that appeared Monday on an Islamic web site listed the Sept. 11 attacks as among the successful operations carried out by the terrorist group against the United States.
In the interview, Nayef said he could not believe that bin Laden and his network, including Saudi participants, worked alone.
He was quoted as saying he believed terrorist networks have links to "foreign intelligence agencies that work against Arab and Muslim interests, chief among them is the Israeli Mossad."
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=1459
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