Harmon L. Taylor
Re: FYI - attorneys/phantom state bar]
Fri Sep 19 14:30:40 2003
64.140.158.113

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Subject: Re: [Fwd: FYI - attorneys/phantom state bar]
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:57:09 -0500
From: "Harmon L. Taylor" holmes221@earthlink.net
To: APFN APFN@apfn.org

Hi!

I'd need to read the details, but, in general, a "bar association" is a
private organization. It doesn't have to assume any particular
organizational form (corporate, LLC, etc.).

ALL "judicial forums" in "this state" are "private," and in that way,
"regulated," in that to be "paid" to be a "representative," one has to
meet certain criteria AND make a "pledge of allegiance" with and to
"this state."

There's not one thing about a bar association that's illegal, or
unconstitutional or anything along those lines. They are simply private
membership clubs, where the membership is the exclusive set of people
allowed to be paid to represent someone's interests in the "judicial
forums" in "this state."

In general, the focus on the "attorneys" is rather considerably
misplaced. Most of them have no idea that we have no government of the
Republican Form, much less that such has been the condition for longer
than any of us has been alive. If there's a group effort contribution
to the problem, then the group effort would be characterized as not
questioning the current conditions to understand the legal reality.
But, if THAT's the basis for complaint, then we need to broaden the net
to include about 95% of the population, rather than simply focus on the
"attorneys."

There's an even stronger reason why the focus on the bar associations is
horribly misplaced. The problems each individual faces come directly
from the private obligations each enters into, starting first and
foremost with the banks and other financial institutions affiliated with
the "federal reserve system." In general, there's very little that a
lawyer can do for those who have entered into private obligations with
"this state" and then who turn right around and repudiate them.

In short, those who still need to blame their individual problems on
what someone did or didn't do, whether the lawyers, or the "congress,"
or the "president," or the "judge," or whomever, are the ones who are
still far more interested in bitching about the problem than they are in
understanding it well enough to come to a competent identification of
it. Without identifying the problem correctly, there are no solutions.
And, where there is no real effort to identify correctly the
individual's OWN contribution to the problem, there is no real effort to
identify correctly the problem. There are a LOT of people who would
rather get the attention for bitchin' than there are people truly
interested in the individual change necessary to produce a change in the
community. Those who still need to blame the lawyers are the ones who
are more interested in complaining than they are in
problem-identification and problem-solving. If it were decreed tomorrow
that it was illegal to "practice law" in "this state," we'd STILL have
the problems, because we'd STILL have the private obligations by which
the problems exist.

Harmon L. Taylor
(Dallas, Texas)

P.S. The "Constitution of the United States" is likely a reference to
Title 5, NOT to the Constitution. There's likely a similar
"understanding" about "the State of California."

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APFN wrote:

> In plain english what does all this mean.....as applied, today's
> situtation!
> Thank you,
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: FYI - attorneys/phantom state bar
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: redeemed
> To:
>
>
>http://207.198.82.208/Images9/BAR1L.jpg
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>http://207.198.82.208/AttorneyBarCA.ASP
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>http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowList
>
>the state bar in California is not, and has never been
>registered as a "public corporation" though it is defined/titled
>as such in its codes in The State Bar Act (1937)
>
>http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=bpc&group=05001-06000&file=6000-6009.3
>

>
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• Re: APFN - THANKS....(attorneys/phantom state bar) — redeemed, Fri Sep 19 16:24
• Harmon: — "envax", Fri Sep 19 14:38